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[BigD18]

Well its just that the things you experienced on cycle do not jive with what happens with test....what kind of gains did you get? You say your vascularity increased....do you have a current pic cuz without an ai at 500mg per week you wont have any vascularity cuz you will have retained fluid and with a sketchy diet added fat.
How about a before cycle and after cycle pic?
I think since you are claiming success we would all like to see it.
If Im wrong I will fall on my sword and create a "boy was i wrong thread"...seriously.

 

[Throwback]

Really...your 59? You dont know for sure what you injected but you only ordered test....you sometimes work out 8 days a week....you got vascular off test with no ai. And you finished a 12 week cycle in under 10 weeks.
Cmon dude....sorry but i cant buy into it.
It doesnt matter to me....but this forum is about info and helping people and I still think your full of it. Sorry.

 

[Johndoe]

Well maybe I was taking more than test and didn't know it. But that's all I ordered. I do feel like I jumped into it without knowing enough. I was planning on using an AI if I started to notice gyno or weirdness in my nipples which never happened so I didn't use it during the cycle. The acne I got was pretty intense. I'm not lying about anything I've said. My last lift on bench I did 275 for 12 reps and was only doing it for like 5 reps before the cycle. I was taking about 500mg/week; 250mg/pin (monday, thurs). I'm planning on starting my PCT at 2 1/2-3 weeks after my last injection. I've read different things about when to start, some say 2 weeks, some say 3. I'm going to use clomid 100/50/50/50, nolva 40/20/20/20. This will be the last time I use anything for a long time. I got some great gains while doing this cycle, but I also had great gains without it. I'm going to go full natty after this. I'm not even going to take creatine or pre-workout (maybe protein, I haven't decided). That sucks that you think I'm not telling the truth, I don't know what to tell you. I appriciate all the help I've gotten from everyone. Best of luck to you all.

You use a ai from the start not when you notice sides...

 

[Johndoe]

Really...your 59? You dont know for sure what you injected but you only ordered test....you sometimes work out 8 days a week....you got vascular off test with no ai. And you finished a 12 week cycle in under 10 weeks.
Cmon dude....sorry but i cant buy into it.
It doesnt matter to me....but this forum is about info and helping people and I still think your full of it. Sorry.

I liked the (my diet was shitty) Pmsl gear won't do f all unless your diet is on point simple as that

 

[BigD18]

I liked the (my diet was shitty) Pmsl gear won't do f all unless your diet is on point simple as that

Well I guess I'm the exception then. Because I got ripped eating fast food like 7 times a week. And my lifts went way up. lol

 

[BigD18]

You use a ai from the start not when you notice sides...

I've heard that you should and only if you see sides. I did fine without it.

 

[Johndoe]

I've heard that you should and only if you see sides. I did fine without it.

Incorrect you do a ai normaly from the very beginning arimidex etc to keep your estro in check once you get sides your fucked as then it won't work and you will need to go down the nolva letro sort of products.
And what you got ripped as in low body fat etc eating fast food daily?

 

[Throwback]

Incorrect you do a ai normaly from the very beginning arimidex etc to keep your estro in check once you get sides your fucked as then it won't work and you will need to go down the nolva letro sort of products.
And what you got ripped as in low body fat etc eating fast food daily?

Yeah he did a 12 week cycle in 10 and got vascular and ripped on test only with no ai and ate like shit....probably worked cuz some weeks he lifts 8 days.
I know sometimes when i go to the gym 10 days in a week I look a lot better.

 

[Johndoe]

Yeah he did a 12 week cycle in 10 and got vascular and ripped on test only with no ai and ate like shit....probably worked cuz some weeks he lifts 8 days.
I know sometimes when i go to the gym 10 days in a week I look a lot better.

O shit I missed that part about the 8 times a week that dam time travel is a well mass gainer lucky barstard lol!

 

[Brad77]

Lol you guys. I think he meant he lifted 8 days in a row if you looked at all the angles you could of figured that out. Its fairly simple. And my first cycle I got vascular on 600mg of test e only. I only used an AI when needed.

 

[Throwback]

Lol you guys. I think he meant he lifted 8 days in a row if you looked at all the angles you could of figured that out. Its fairly simple. And my first cycle I got vascular on 600mg of test e only. I only used an AI when needed.

Read the whole thing again....its all bs. And you would not get vascular on test only....the fluid retention alone will blow you up and hide any vascularity. Now if you add a lil tren to the mix Im with you all the way.

 

[Throwback]

Lets get some more opinions...maybe my head is in my ass.....lets see who should we call....(start ghostbuster theme song here).....@spooby @DonQKong @Savagesteve @RogerThat

 

[Brad77]

So your telling me everyone reacts the same way to testosterone or the effects of estrogen?

Maybe this guy doesn't have an issue with estrogen side effects?

I see some flaws in his posts but like I already said I didn't use an AI constantly on my first cycle of test only and I became vascular.

 

[Throwback]

So your telling me everyone reacts the same way to testosterone or the effects of estrogen?

Maybe this guy doesn't have an issue with estrogen side effects?

I see some flaws in his posts but like I already said I didn't use an AI constantly on my first cycle of test only and I became vascular.

Whatever....

 

[DedLift]

I was thinking the same @Brad77 . Vascularity is something that happens as body fat drops and muscles get bigger. Plenty of guys have gotten more vascular running test only and dropping body fat.

 

[Big pump]

When exactly should I use an AI?

If you have to ask this then you need too

Well first a sust cycle is not a good cycle , unless you really know what your doing . Try test e or cyp and second if your gonna cycle have all pct in and you didnt even mention an AI to block your bitch tits when they come . Try going to the underground section and read a few houndred thousands pages of stuff get us to it . MESO DOESNT SPOON FEED . And its not a source board . So 1 read 2 read 3 read and right before you cycle read it all again this is serious shit with real problems that come with it , get a better understanding .

 

[Big pump]

Well maybe I was taking more than test and didn't know it. But that's all I ordered. I do feel like I jumped into it without knowing enough. I was planning on using an AI if I started to notice gyno or weirdness in my nipples which never happened so I didn't use it during the cycle. The acne I got was pretty intense. I'm not lying about anything I've said. My last lift on bench I did 275 for 12 reps and was only doing it for like 5 reps before the cycle. I was taking about 500mg/week; 250mg/pin (monday, thurs). I'm planning on starting my PCT at 2 1/2-3 weeks after my last injection. I've read different things about when to start, some say 2 weeks, some say 3. I'm going to use clomid 100/50/50/50, nolva 40/20/20/20. This will be the last time I use anything for a long time. I got some great gains while doing this cycle, but I also had great gains without it. I'm going to go full natty after this. I'm not even going to take creatine or pre-workout (maybe protein, I haven't decided). That sucks that you think I'm not telling the truth, I don't know what to tell you. I appriciate all the help I've gotten from everyone. Best of luck to you all.

Clomid and nolva aren't both necessary!

 

[Throwback]

I was thinking the same @Brad77 . Vascularity is something that happens as body fat drops and muscles get bigger. Plenty of guys have gotten more vascular running test only and dropping body fat.

Read this guys post...1 he was on 500mg w/o an ai...= fluid retention and loss of definition
2...his diet was shit he could eat shitty stuff and get away with it.
3...he completed a 12 week cycle in under 10 weeks
4....says he is 59
5......i call b/s troll
Sorry but been doing this too long to believe any of what he posted or the pics.

 

[Big pump]

Really...your 59? You dont know for sure what you injected but you only ordered test....you sometimes work out 8 days a week....you got vascular off test with no ai. And you finished a 12 week cycle in under 10 weeks.
Cmon dude....sorry but i cant buy into it.
It doesnt matter to me....but this forum is about info and helping people and I still think your full of it. Sorry.

Right at 11 wks but who's counting? If he is 59 guess I got fucked in the gene pool!

 

[Savagesteve]

I know test doesn't react the same way for everyone and I did notice some increased vascularity on test only but my diet wasn't complete shit and I was on .5 adex eod or e3d. Dude damn sure don't look 59 but who knows, it's the Internet. I'm with @Throwback on this one, how the hell do you not know what your putting into your body, not run an ai, eat shitty, and get leaner? Don't add up if you ask me.