Never coming off?

[GoldenJ77]

whatsup everyone I hope I'm in the right section.. But I wanted to talk about some of these pro bodybuilders. It seems some of them NEVER come off the juice. Some compete year round to qualify for the Olympia so they have to stay in good shape. Then everyone talks about the offseason and building more muscle for the stage the following year, which we all know drugs like deca, test, and anadrol are used widely. So do these guys lie about off time? Like Lee priest saying he only used deca and hates test lol. And he only used the drugs for 12 weeks leading up to a show. What's everyone's take? What does it take for these guys to be pros? Do they never come off?

 

[Jeremiahflex]

whatsup everyone I hope I'm in the right section.. But I wanted to talk about some of these pro bodybuilders. It seems some of them NEVER come off the juice. Some compete year round to qualify for the Olympia so they have to stay in good shape. Then everyone talks about the offseason and building more muscle for the stage the following year, which we all know drugs like deca, test, and anadrol are used widely. So do these guys lie about off time? Like Lee priest saying he only used deca and hates test lol. And he only used the drugs for 12 weeks leading up to a show. What's everyone's take? What does it take for these guys to be pros? Do they never come off?

I think they lie so it seems their work ethic and genetics are world's above the average juicer. When really they take high doses of everything year round.

 

[GoldenJ77]

That's what I was thinking. You look at some of these guys fucking before pics and they are not genetically superior to anyone lol. I wish the fitness industry wasn't all liars, it would be cool to see everyone's drug protocols

 

[Frozen]

I want to believe lee priest because he is one of my top favorites but I have to call bullshit on the protocols he claimed

 

[GoldenJ77]

I want to believe lee priest because he is one of my top favorites but I have to call bullshit on the protocols he claimed

Yeah man there's just no way. He seemed like a super honest guy but he's like everyone else. Wants to be seen as some genetic marvel. He had an incredible physique don't get me wrong but I'm pretty sure he did a lil bit more than he said he did lol

 

[Frozen]

He said his cycle pre contest was 500 test and some winstrol, Lmfao if only I could look like that off half a gram of test

 

[GoldenJ77]

Yeah bull shit lol. I wish we could pin all these guys with a little truth serum to see what it takes to be a real giant. It's ridiculous in my opinion. That's why even though Bostin loyd is extreme I appreciate his honestly even if he's a little careless with his use.. But hey it's his body not mine haha

 

[Skull]

whatsup everyone I hope I'm in the right section.. But I wanted to talk about some of these pro bodybuilders. It seems some of them NEVER come off the juice. Some compete year round to qualify for the Olympia so they have to stay in good shape. Then everyone talks about the offseason and building more muscle for the stage the following year, which we all know drugs like deca, test, and anadrol are used widely. So do these guys lie about off time? Like Lee priest saying he only used deca and hates test lol. And he only used the drugs for 12 weeks leading up to a show. What's everyone's take? What does it take for these guys to be pros? Do they never come off?

If they do ever come off it will be a drop down to a trt dose cuz I dont believe any of the top dogs at the level they are an the levels off aas they run will recover with a pct lmfao. They will pin for the rest of their lives cuz their body will never create its own Test on its own. If they claim they come off, they more than likely mean like rich piana says when he "totally comes off cycle".....They drop down some an cruise till next blast. Piana claims he comes completely off yet eats his own words in a diff vid when he admits "hes on trt" smfdh....Ok Rich you come off Give me a fuckin break Piana!!!!!....You fuckin cruise which is a whole diff ball game!!!!!

 

[Frozen]

Yeah bull shit lol. I wish we could pin all these guys with a little truth serum to see what it takes to be a real giant. It's ridiculous in my opinion. That's why even though Bostin loyd is extreme I appreciate his honestly even if he's a little careless with his use.. But hey it's his body not mine haha

I honestly like Bostin for his honesty and he makes some good supplements, I do however think he runs way too much gear lol and would never use he same amounts with such little improvements

 

[Frozen]

If they do ever come off it will be a drop down to a trt dose cuz I dont believe any of the top dogs at the level they are an the levels off aas they run will recover with a pct lmfao. They will pin for the rest of their lives cuz their body will never create its own Test on its own. If they claim they come off, they more than likely mean like rich piana says when he "totally comes off cycle".....They drop down some an cruise till next blast. Piana claims he comes completely off yet eats his own words in a diff vid when he admits "hes on trt" smfdh....Ok Rich you come off Give me a fuckin break Piana!!!!!....You fuckin cruise which is a whole diff ball game!!!!!

Yeah I watched that video where he said he does not cruise and that he was completely off gear I call bs

 

[weighted chinup]

I find the dosages pro's from the 90's claimed to take more believable than the dosages people speculate they take. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[GoldenJ77]

If they do ever come off it will be a drop down to a trt dose cuz I dont believe any of the top dogs at the level they are an the levels off aas they run will recover with a pct lmfao. They will pin for the rest of their lives cuz their body will never create its own Test on its own. If they claim they come off, they more than likely mean like rich piana says when he "totally comes off cycle".....They drop down some an cruise till next blast. Piana claims he comes completely off yet eats his own words in a diff vid when he admits "hes on trt" smfdh....Ok Rich you come off Give me a fuckin break Piana!!!!!....You fuckin cruise which is a whole diff ball game!!!!!

That's what I mean bro these guys are so full of shit they can't even remember what they said lol. And yeah at some of these fucking dosages I've read their balls must just shrivel up to less than raisins with no chance of coming back hahaha. I read Andreas Munzers autopsy report in some article and they said he had over 20 drugs in his system at the time of death. And they said his balls were basically non existent. He was a real bodybuilder. Gotta think all these other guys are right along these lines... Maybe slightly less extreme but you get what I mean. None of this "mr Olympia is only on 2g of gear and nothing else per week" lmfao

 

[GoldenJ77]

I find the dosages pro's from the 90's claimed to take more believable than the dosages people speculate they take. Take that for what it's worth.

Look I'm not denying that there's genetically gifted people who can get away with taking less, or even at all. I think the speculations far exceed what they actually did most definitely. But like I just mentioned to @Skull Andreas Munzer "mr shredded" spilled the beans a bit due to his death. You really think these guys like Mike Mazarrato or Greg Kovacs weren't pushing the envelope with drug use? They're 90s guys. I'm just saying these guys never come off, forget dosages. They pin year round even if it's just trt. I'm just saying some of em are full of shit and have no problem lying right to people's faces

 

[weighted chinup]

Look I'm not denying that there's genetically gifted people who can get away with taking less, or even at all. I think the speculations far exceed what they actually did most definitely. But like I just mentioned to @Skull Andreas Munzer "mr shredded" spilled the beans a bit due to his death. You really think these guys like Mike Mazarrato or Greg Kovacs weren't pushing the envelope with drug use? They're 90s guys. I'm just saying these guys never come off, forget dosages. They pin year round even if it's just trt. I'm just saying some of em are full of shit and have no problem lying right to people's faces

Personally I think the dosages of Andreas Munzer published in Der Spiegel were complete and total bullshit, I'm not one to label things quickly as being anti-aas propaganda, but that alleged drug intake was more than likely bullshit trying to demonize a fringe sport or hobby just to engage readers. Nasser said the same thing too I believe. Surprising, since Spiegel is a very reputable journal, but still.

I don't think Mike Matarazzo was doing anything worse or substantially higher than the other guys. His passing was sad to hear about though, but I doubt he was doing anything more than the other fellas were taking.

A lot of us here pin year around too, including yours truly (cruise dose). But I'm not anything special. The point of my earlier post is that the mega dosages are more than likely bullshit - you don't have to take my word for it. Triple your drug intake next blast and let me know how much better - if at all - the gains are. Probably very negligible difference.

Since Lee Priest was mentioned earlier - I find the dosages he claimed to run more believable than the speculated ones. And I'm not talking about the 1cc of deca shit, idk where that even came from because I don't remember him ever mentioning that. He talks about AAS use here and it falls in like with other pros from that time:

Starting at 7 minutes in:

 

[GoldenJ77]

Personally I think the dosages of Andreas Munzer published in Der Spiegel were complete and total bullshit, I'm not one to label things quickly as being anti-aas propaganda, but that alleged drug intake was more than likely bullshit trying to demonize a fringe sport or hobby just to engage readers. Nasser said the same thing too I believe. Surprising, since Spiegel is a very reputable journal, but still.

I don't think Mike Matarazzo was doing anything worse or substantially higher than the other guys. His passing was sad to hear about though, but I doubt he was doing anything more than the other fellas were taking.

A lot of us here pin year around too, including yours truly (cruise dose). But I'm not anything special. The point of my earlier post is that the mega dosages are more than likely bullshit - you don't have to take my word for it. Triple your drug intake next blast and let me know how much better - if at all - the gains are. Probably very negligible difference.

Since Lee Priest was mentioned earlier - I find the dosages he claimed to run more believable than the speculated ones. And I'm not talking about the 1cc of deca shit, idk where that even came from because I don't remember him ever mentioning that. He talks about AAS use here and it falls in like with other pros from that time:

Starting at 7 minutes in:

I agree with you bro, it's about the sweet spot of drugs not the overall amount. I just try to sort through the mystery. Maybe these guys are tellin the truth. Just with so many liars it's tough to sift through. That's why I'm Gettin everyone's opinions. I'm in the same boat as you though, I think the bodybuilding guys, at least the top ones from the golden era (70s,80s,90s,) all shared a brotherhood and helped each other, kind of like these boards nowadays I am just fascinated by this world and wish I could know for a fact what's true and what's not. Obviously even on identical steroid doses, 2 bodybuilders will look completely different because it's who you are, muscle insertions/origins type stuff. That's what makes the sport beautiful though. If everyone's physique was the same it would be boring as fuck. I just hate the guys nowadays who are fake naturals (Doug miller), or lie about their doses (Marc lobliner) and then make money off people with supplements and training programs and diet stuff. I just firmly believe everyone can build muscle and become the best bodybuilder they can. Some guys will be bigger and have different looks, more shredded etc. I just wish it was more like the golden era where people would help out, be open about the drugs, and have a little integrity.

 

[TriednTestedVet]

Last bb in interview was definitely Paul Dillet.

You can tell by his frame and if you scroll 1:17-1:22 its slow enough where you can make out his face.

The fact that he did not want to talk about his diuretic use was also a big giveaway.

Genetics will play a role on how we respond to the drugs so I know some will use less/more than others but there are some particular drugs that have significantly changed the physiques of some pros as well as dosages.

I've experimented personally with dosages and also calories and I've found drugs change my physique a little quicker and with less bf increases.

Just what I've noticed personally.

 

[Millard]

He said his cycle pre contest was 500 test and some winstrol, Lmfao if only I could look like that off half a gram of test

Of course, most people won't look like that on 500 mg per week. Those same people still wouldn't look much closer on 5000 mg per week either. So why would 500 be any less believable than 5000? They still won't be a pro and probably will never even win a local contest.

 

[Frozen]

Of course, most people won't look like that on 500 mg per week. Those same people still wouldn't look much closer on 5000 mg per week either. So why would 500 be any less believable than 5000? They still won't be a pro and probably will never even win a local contest.

I can't agree more with you on that one sir, lee was a genetic miracle as most of those guys in that movie were as well

 

[jJjburton]

Bostom loydd, has zero legs. He pins litterally everything you can, and still has chicken legs LOLOL. I saw a video. HEs like ill pin this. Actually I ll throw this in, while I am at it Ill put this in there. He shut the fridge. Then was like ahh fuck it Ill throw this in a pin with this. Just for a preworkout HAHA. ridiculous.

 

[jJjburton]

Thats why I think genetics is dumb. If you train and take roids your going to be bigger then someone with good genetics. But if the person with good genetics trains as the other and they both take roids that different. BUT THEN who ever started first could end up being bigger. So its really confusing. I think it comes down to just plain hard work. Since they do it everyday, that is the key. Come BBALL players are tall and natruals but some arent and work hard to get that way. No matter what you have to work hard to get a goo 3 pointer. And someone who lifts has to work hard to get big biceps or calves, or legs, or abs.