Shakes instead of foods... (Read)

[Thenewera]

I'm curious as to where everyone stands on this. I am trying to shy from the bro-science.. But I can't find anything telling me I'm wrong. I would love for some others to chime in.

We all know.. There's a major different in getting macronutrients and micronutrients and this is why food is king. Well we also know eating constantly can be hard work. Right?

Say this. (Random numbers)

Gentleman A consumes : ( in a shake )

6 egg whites
1 cup of coconut milk
2 tbsp of Nutella
1 banana
2 tbsp of honey
Making a total of 1000 calories 90g protein 80g fat 90g carbs ... (Again made up numbers)

Gentleman B consumes : ( throughout meals )

The same 1000 calories 90g protein 80g fat 90g carbs.. We all know that's hard to eat in one sitting at times. But as a drink? Easier.

To make it clear. I stand as they both would bring. Same outcome. I've just heard others differ overtime.

Comments?

 

[turcao]

In your example your using "real food" in the shakes. I think the real problem comes about when people rely too much on protein powders.

 

[weighted chinup]

The effects on body composition will be the same in both scenarios.

 

[goofyx102]

As a drink, it is easier to take up the same macros versus eating an actual meal, but the difference is the digestion. Shakes are usually consumed when the individual is running short on time, need a quick acting substance, hence the whey protein. But if you were to cram an actual meal into a replacement shake, you would have to drink it slow to get the full benefits. If you consume it at a rapid pace, then most likely since it is a liquid form, it will bypass the small intestine lining without much absorption, leaving it to waste.
If you were to eat a meal with the same macros, it would be different since the food must be broken down and pass through the esophageal tube, and make its way to the stomach, small intestines, and then the lining which first processes it in the stomach to speed up metabolism, then breaks it down further into amino acids for better absorption. This whole procedure is what actually helps the body to take in the full benefits of the nutrients.

 

[Oregongearhead]

I'm curious as to where everyone stands on this. I am trying to shy from the bro-science.. But I can't find anything telling me I'm wrong. I would love for some others to chime in.

We all know.. There's a major different in getting macronutrients and micronutrients and this is why food is king. Well we also know eating constantly can be hard work. Right?

Say this. (Random numbers)

Gentleman A consumes : ( in a shake )

6 egg whites
1 cup of coconut milk
2 tbsp of Nutella
1 banana
2 tbsp of honey
Making a total of 1000 calories 90g protein 80g fat 90g carbs ... (Again made up numbers)

Gentleman B consumes : ( throughout meals )

The same 1000 calories 90g protein 80g fat 90g carbs.. We all know that's hard to eat in one sitting at times. But as a drink? Easier.

Comments?

Monster shakes are always great for bulking . Last year we all got on a blender kick and started blending all our foods . Steak,eggs,meatloaf,pizza . Its easy to get in the calories/protein .

I think the end calorie intake is the same , whole food eaten or blended .

 

[insaiyan93]

Would be the same imo. You're still consuming real quality food, just in a less solid form. The problem is when people want to drink a protein mix shake as replacement for a real food meal.

 

[Skull]

I like the idea of drinking a few more shakes instead of eating more meals. Sorry @insaiyan93 Chewing an stuffing can be such a chore lol. Ive always wondered how shakes an meals stack up side by side, an if the gains made from replacing meals for a few more shakes would be the same as from the solid foods???? Nice thread TNE...lol aso nice going on the badass initials @Thenewera ....fits all of us quit nicely if ya ask mebahahah!!!!!!!!

 

[weighted chinup]

The 'quality' of the foods isn't really relevant for the purpose of body composition, option A could consist of some mystery slurry but as long as macros and calories are the same than the effect on body composition would still be the same.

There are reasons why someone might prefer foods over shake, but effects on body composition isn't a legitimate reason imo unless they obsess over temporary factors like bloat, but that shit goes away. If it's the difference between getting your calories in or falling short, then I wouldn't bother worrying about it - do whatever is easier.

 

[Thenewera]

As a drink, it is easier to take up the same macros versus eating an actual meal, but the difference is the digestion. Shakes are usually consumed when the individual is running short on time, need a quick acting substance, hence the whey protein. But if you were to cram an actual meal into a replacement shake, you would have to drink it slow to get the full benefits. If you consume it at a rapid pace, then most likely since it is a liquid form, it will bypass the small intestine lining without much absorption, leaving it to waste.
If you were to eat a meal with the same macros, it would be different since the food must be broken down and pass through the esophageal tube, and make its way to the stomach, small intestines, and then the lining which first processes it in the stomach to speed up metabolism, then breaks it down further into amino acids for better absorption. This whole procedure is what actually helps the body to take in the full benefits of the nutrients.

I just don't see it.

 

[Thenewera]

Monster shakes are always great for bulking . Last year we all got on a blender kick and started blending all our foods . Steak,eggs,meatloaf,pizza . Its easy to get in the calories/protein .

I think the end calorie intake is the same , whole food eaten or blended .

Holy shit. Blendin steak and eggs huh? You've got me beat on that one boss

Would be the same imo. You're still consuming real quality food, just in a less solid form. The problem is when people want to drink a protein mix shake as replacement for a real food meal.

I'm with you.

I like the idea of drinking a few more shakes instead of eating more meals. Sorry @insaiyan93 Chewing an stuffing can be such a chore lol. Ive always wondered how shakes an meals stack up side by side, an if the gains made from replacing meals for a few more shakes would be the same as from the solid foods???? Nice thread TNE...lol aso nice going on the badass initials @Thenewera ....fits all of us quit nicely if ya ask mebahahah!!!!!!!!

TNE huh? Haha call me what you like you tatted up fucker. And yeah man, my fucking jaw gets more tired than a whores during tax time at 11pm.

The 'quality' of the foods isn't really relevant for the purpose of body composition, option A could consist of some mystery slurry but as long as macros and calories are the same than the effect on body composition would still be the same.

There are reasons why someone might prefer foods over shake, but effects on body composition isn't a legitimate reason imo unless they obsess over temporary factors like bloat, but that shit goes away. If it's the difference between getting your calories in or falling short, then I wouldn't bother worrying about it - do whatever is easier.

Right wh gives a fuck about a 30 minute bloat.

Thanks for all the responses boys.

I'm probably going to be using this method during this next blast. OGH, can we convert the food thread into a blend shit up thread?

 

[insaiyan93]

I like the idea of drinking a few more shakes instead of eating more meals. Sorry @insaiyan93 Chewing an stuffing can be such a chore lol. Ive always wondered how shakes an meals stack up side by side, an if the gains made from replacing meals for a few more shakes would be the same as from the solid foods???? Nice thread TNE...lol aso nice going on the badass initials @Thenewera ....fits all of us quit nicely if ya ask mebahahah!!!!!!!!

Its ok skull, you're entitled to your wrong opinion

Hahahha only joking brother.

I see no problem in adding some shakes in to get some extra calories in, eating 3 square meals and then maybe 2-3 shakes seems reasonable. I was thinking more about some of these guys i see that are eating 1 real meal a day, and then replacing a majority of their nutrition with meal replacement shakes or protein shakes.

 

[jaymaximus]

Holy shit. Blendin steak and eggs huh? You've got me beat on that one boss


I'm with you.


TNE huh? Haha call me what you like you tatted up fucker. And yeah man, my fucking jaw gets more tired than a whores during tax time at 11pm.


Right wh gives a fuck about a 30 minute bloat.

Thanks for all the responses boys.

I'm probably going to be using this method during this next blast. OGH, can we convert the food thread into a blend shit up thread?

We had a member who hasnt been around for awhile who started it. He was bulking and blending steak and potatoes and drinking it.

 

[Gronk87]

I have to say the science behind the argument that protein powders are inferior does present some solid evidence that this might be the case, BUT...

I think a lot of engineering goes into these protein powders to make them extremely high quality (such as ON) etc. These guys really know what they are doing and whey protein isolate is definitely up there as an extremely effective muscle builder and is extremely bioavailable. I have to say I have never noticed any increased benefits to whole foods. I get 100g a day from powder typically and get the same or possibly even better results than whole foods AND it allows me to cut a lot of sodium out that would come from eating say chicken breast or steak. I also notice the benefit of never getting bloated or indigestion type symptoms when I get 100g a day from powder as opposed to stuffing down 4 chicken breasts in a day. So, those are just some of my pro-protein powder arguments. Don't get me wrong, I still get 2 chicken breasts, eggs, steaks etc for over half my protein but I havent noticed any drop in results from taking 4 scoops of whey a day as part of my macros.

 

[Smokey McPot]

Real food is always better, but a protein shake is better than nothing

 

[Thenewera]

I have to say the science behind the argument that protein powders are inferior does present some solid evidence that this might be the case, BUT...

I think a lot of engineering goes into these protein powders to make them extremely high quality (such as ON) etc. These guys really know what they are doing and whey protein isolate is definitely up there as an extremely effective muscle builder and is extremely bioavailable. I have to say I have never noticed any increased benefits to whole foods. I get 100g a day from powder typically and get the same or possibly even better results than whole foods AND it allows me to cut a lot of sodium out that would come from eating say chicken breast or steak. I also notice the benefit of never getting bloated or indigestion type symptoms when I get 100g a day from powder as opposed to stuffing down 4 chicken breasts in a day. So, those are just some of my pro-protein powder arguments. Don't get me wrong, I still get 2 chicken breasts, eggs, steaks etc for over half my protein but I havent noticed any drop in results from taking 4 scoops of whey a day as part of my macros.

I completely disagree as it is merely impossible you're getting the same results with 100g of protein from a *powder* -

@Smokey McPot you missed the point brother !

 

[Docd187123]

As a drink, it is easier to take up the same macros versus eating an actual meal, but the difference is the digestion. Shakes are usually consumed when the individual is running short on time, need a quick acting substance, hence the whey protein. But if you were to cram an actual meal into a replacement shake, you would have to drink it slow to get the full benefits. If you consume it at a rapid pace, then most likely since it is a liquid form, it will bypass the small intestine lining without much absorption, leaving it to waste.
If you were to eat a meal with the same macros, it would be different since the food must be broken down and pass through the esophageal tube, and make its way to the stomach, small intestines, and then the lining which first processes it in the stomach to speed up metabolism, then breaks it down further into amino acids for better absorption. This whole procedure is what actually helps the body to take in the full benefits of the nutrients.

The liquid shake doesn't get wasted simply bc it digests quicker. It just means the process of digestion, absorption, utilization, etc happens at a faster pace. The body is incredibly efficient in getting all/most the nutrients out of anything you eat whether liquid shake or whole foods. Besides, protein, fiber, and fats all slow down digestion rate.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I've been blending up a monster shake for awhile now for when I'm at work. I drink half mid morning and the other half a couple hours after lunch. I put milk, oatmeal, protein powder, various fruits and vegetables and olive oil in it. I add or subtract ingredients and amounts as needed. On weekends I'll slam it all at once post workout.

 

[Thenewera]

The liquid shake doesn't get wasted simply bc it digests quicker. It just means the process of digestion, absorption, utilization, etc happens at a faster pace. The body is incredibly efficient in getting all/most the nutrients out of anything you eat whether liquid shake or whole foods. Besides, protein, fiber, and fats all slow down digestion rate.

Right on!! That's what I was thinking.

I've been blending up a monster shake for awhile now for when I'm at work. I drink half mid morning and the other half a couple hours after lunch. I put milk, oatmeal, protein powder, various fruits and vegetables and olive oil in it. I add or subtract ingredients and amounts as needed. On weekends I'll slam it all at once post workout.

I like it!!

 

[Docd187123]

I completely disagree as it is merely impossible you're getting the same results with 100g of protein from a *powder* -

@Smokey McPot you missed the point brother !

Definitely not impossible. I do it and have done it myself where I get 100-150g of protein from a powder or shake. Makes no difference body composition wise but you do sacrifice a lot of micronutrients in some cases.

 

[Nutpuncher]

Same outcome with your scenarios. Only difference is blender doing the chewing vs your jaw. Except I assume you'd burn more calories chewing....but I hear dbol will get your jaws pumped!!!!