Thoughts on creatine?

YelloBoi

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Just started taking creatine monohydrate again a week ago today. Weight has already gone up about 3 lbs. I take a heaping teaspoon before and after workouts.

What are your thoughts on creatine? Should it be cycle or is it safe to take it year round non stop. I've read that it should be cycle and it can be taken year round, but don't know which one is correct.
 
The much more important question is determining whether your a "responder VS a non-responder to Creatine. But in regard to your question, can you name one PED where the benefits don't wane at least to some extent over time, unless they are not cycled?

Perhaps (such as GH) but they are few and far between, and creatine in NO EXCEPTION, IMO
 
The much more important question is determining whether your a "responder VS a non-responder to Creatine. But in regard to your question, can you name one PED where the benefits don't wane at least to some extent over time, unless they are not cycled?

Perhaps (such as GH) but they are few and far between, and creatine in NO EXCEPTION, IMO

I'm a very good responder to creatine. I gain weight quick and the muscle gains are pretty good. My muscles feel harder when on creatine. My stomach area has gained some water weight though abs arent as visible but you can still see them. Abs are the only spot I seem to gain water weight. Also felt more hydrated at work.

Also you are a smart mother fucker and you seem to be all over these forums. I must applaud you for your service to the Meso community.

Do you happen to be a real doctor? Lol
 
I wanted creapure. I hear it has the best absorption. I just got regular creatine monohydrate 5000 GNC brand. I take it everyday but I been working out everyday lately.
 
Why isn't everyone a responder? I seem to respond to just about any supplement.

Most supplements are garbage so you're falling victim to the placebo effect more than likely.

Creatine responders and non-responders are defined by a threshold level of stored creatine monohydrate and phosphorylated creatine in the muscle. What mechanism differentiates this idk

J Strength Cond Res. 2004 Aug;18(3):610-7.
Acute creatine monohydrate supplementation: a descriptive physiological profile of responders vs. nonresponders.
Syrotuik DG1, Bell GJ.
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Abstract
The purpose of this study was to describe the physiological profile of responders (>20 mmol.kg(-1) dry weight [dw] increase in total intramuscular creatine monohydrate [Cr] + phosphorylated creatine [PCr]) versus nonresponders (<10 mmol.kg(-1) dw increase) to a 5-day Cr load (0.3 g.kg(-1).d(-1)) in 11 healthy men (mean age = 22.7 years). Pre-post 5-day cellular measures included total resting Cr content (Cr + PCr), fiber type composition, and fiber type cross-sectional area (CSA) determined from muscle biopsies of the vastus lateralis. Body mass, daily dietary intake, 24-hour urine outputs, urinary Cr and creatinine (CrN), and strength performance measures (1 repetition maximum [1RM] bench and leg press) were also assessed before and after the 5-day loading period. Results indicated that there were 3 levels of response to the 5-day supplementation: responders (R), quasi responders (QR), and nonresponders (NR) with mean changes in resting Cr + PCr of 29.5 mmol.kg(-1) dw (n = 3), 14.9 mmol.kg(-1) dw (n = 5), and 5.1 mmol.kg(-1) dw (n = 3), respectively. The results support a person-by-treatment interaction to acute Cr supplementation with R possessing a biological profile of lowest initial levels of Cr + PCr, greatest percentage of type II fibers, and greatest preload muscle fiber CSA and fat-free mass. Responders also showed improvement in 1RM leg press scores following the 5-day loading period. NR had higher preload levels of Cr + PCr, less type II muscle fibers, small preload muscle CSA, and lower fat-free mass and displayed no improvements in 1RM strength scores. The results suggest that to be considered a responder to acute oral supplementation, a favorable preexisting biological profile may determine the final extent to which an individual responds to supplementation. Physiologic profiles of nonresponders appear to be different and may limit their ability to uptake Cr. This may help partially explain the reported equivocal performance findings in the Cr supplementation literature.
 
Most supplements are garbage so you're falling victim to the placebo effect more than likely.

Creatine responders and non-responders are defined by a threshold level of stored creatine monohydrate and phosphorylated creatine in the muscle. What mechanism differentiates this idk

J Strength Cond Res. 2004 Aug;18(3):610-7.
Acute creatine monohydrate supplementation: a descriptive physiological profile of responders vs. nonresponders.
Syrotuik DG1, Bell GJ.
Author information

Abstract
The purpose of this study was to describe the physiological profile of responders (>20 mmol.kg(-1) dry weight [dw] increase in total intramuscular creatine monohydrate [Cr] + phosphorylated creatine [PCr]) versus nonresponders (<10 mmol.kg(-1) dw increase) to a 5-day Cr load (0.3 g.kg(-1).d(-1)) in 11 healthy men (mean age = 22.7 years). Pre-post 5-day cellular measures included total resting Cr content (Cr + PCr), fiber type composition, and fiber type cross-sectional area (CSA) determined from muscle biopsies of the vastus lateralis. Body mass, daily dietary intake, 24-hour urine outputs, urinary Cr and creatinine (CrN), and strength performance measures (1 repetition maximum [1RM] bench and leg press) were also assessed before and after the 5-day loading period. Results indicated that there were 3 levels of response to the 5-day supplementation: responders (R), quasi responders (QR), and nonresponders (NR) with mean changes in resting Cr + PCr of 29.5 mmol.kg(-1) dw (n = 3), 14.9 mmol.kg(-1) dw (n = 5), and 5.1 mmol.kg(-1) dw (n = 3), respectively. The results support a person-by-treatment interaction to acute Cr supplementation with R possessing a biological profile of lowest initial levels of Cr + PCr, greatest percentage of type II fibers, and greatest preload muscle fiber CSA and fat-free mass. Responders also showed improvement in 1RM leg press scores following the 5-day loading period. NR had higher preload levels of Cr + PCr, less type II muscle fibers, small preload muscle CSA, and lower fat-free mass and displayed no improvements in 1RM strength scores. The results suggest that to be considered a responder to acute oral supplementation, a favorable preexisting biological profile may determine the final extent to which an individual responds to supplementation. Physiologic profiles of nonresponders appear to be different and may limit their ability to uptake Cr. This may help partially explain the reported equivocal performance findings in the Cr supplementation literature.

What do you mean by the placebo effect? I don't think I have the correct definition of it.
 
I'm curious to why you guys are still using monohydrate???
 
I've only used creatine once for a very short period. Got the shits did not notice any type of performance boost what so ever.

What does work for me is A Caffiene Cap and Ornithine at least for getting a couple more reps in my sets.
 
I've only used creatine once or a very short period. Got the shits did not notice any type of performance boost what so ever.

What does work for me is A Caffiene Cap and Ornithine at least for a couple more reps in my sets.

I only got the shits from a walmart brand creatine when I was in high school never bought that brand again lol. I still got some results from it though.

I've taken creatine like 3 times now. Last time was the most noticeable but I stayed on for 5 months straight.

I been trying to cut back on caffeine. I take so much at work that I don't get that pick me up feel anymore from 400mg of caffeine just barely more alert.
 
I only got the shits from a walmart brand creatine when I was in high school never bought that brand again lol. I still got some results from it though.

I've taken creatine like 3 times now. Last time was the most noticeable but I stayed on for 5 months straight.

I been trying to cut back on caffeine. I take so much at work that I don't get that pick me up feel anymore from 400mg of caffeine just barely more alert.

I am the same way.
But I've noticed that taking it with ornithine gives me a nice energy boost. It might just be a placebo effect.. But I like it :)
 
Yes it very well could.

How would I know for sure if it's placebo or not? I tried amplified creatine 189 GNC brand in pill form and it did nothing. I just shit the pills out. You could see them stuck in the shit.

Looked up reviews for it and people said they were shitting it out so I looked one day and sure enough they got shit out whole pills.
 
I am the same way.
But I've noticed that taking it with ornithine gives me a nice energy boost. It might just be a placebo effect.. But I like it :)

Wish there was a way to make the placebo effect work every time. I'd press a bunch of sugar pills and pretend they were gear so id never have to cycle off lol.
 
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