Stopping isn't really a solution when it comes to quality of life. You'll have to figure a way to accommodate it. I gave up on Red Cross, as every time I went, they'd find some reason not to take my blood (like blood pressure). The techs are often butchers in disguise anyway. I had one go clear through the vein and hit a nerve. Hand was tingly for a week. It's not perfect by any means, but I have to do exactly what was mentioned above. I drain my own blood every 10-12 weeks but have to stay on iron (the expensive heme version) year round. Once you go anemic, it's a tough hole to climb out.
Man I’d get up stomping ass if a Red Cross tech got a tendon or nerve that’s a Fukin 16ga HARPOON and could completely severe a nerve. None of that shit happens in the professional medical establishments working with docs for the purpose of medical phlebotomy.
And YES something is up with the RC they must be like Supercuts hiring “housewives” with no business cutting hair. Sure the RC has parameters to follow, but it’s the WAY they went about making that determination. Clearly they did not want me there. There biggest culling out technique they love to use on borderlines that might make the cut is to lock that blood pressure cuff down so tight that by the time they open it up for the read damn read yer gonna show high BP. That practice is so dangerous and could easily cause a clot/DVT event as a result. It’s like a bunch of cunt pacifists work there and can’t stand anyone in shape or the slightest bit brawn. Like some kind of mental scar from whatever war began them which permanently warped their business model. The pay is surely LOW and undoubtedly so is their technical expertise.
Yea I fell pretty confident it’s the EQ causing me to have high RBC. I guess I will just continue to donate and wait until it leaves my system.
My wife is 31 and is feeling the pressure of wanting kids now. She just recently changed her mind about having kids and I never thought to run HCG to keep my fertility. Lesson learned.
Don’t get too crazy with the blood draws. Some of the professional medical testosterone prescribing community may even advise that you
Can donate as often as every 10 days on TRT alone.?!?!! My RBC COINT rang in at 20 after my first year back on trt and took the bait. I went about 5 times in 7 weeks just to get me down to 14.5... RBC count of 13 is the low cutoff right so I was gonna see what the deal was. I WOUND UP WEAK AND WHACKED FEELING FOR ABOUT 4 months at least. I now go about once every 8 weeks and keeps things in check on TRT 200-300mgs and nothing else.
THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND (some said a bit of this but I will refresh)...:
1. Hydration is everything. If you go in dehydrated it can skew that RBC readout as much as 1-2 points HIGH I estimate. And don’t assume by “yer feeling” that yer hydrated. Constant DRANK
(I prefer 4-loko
), too much water too fast, illness, etc... - will ALL dehydrate you.
2. Hopefully you got a baseline some of us are meant to run on higher of lower counts.
3. On yer actual pre-draw blood counts they use red blood cell count (range 13-20) correct? I swear I think I recall hematocrit includes something other than just RBCs in that percentage measurement. Platelets maybe?? Don’t know.. Anywayz, anywhere in their stated “NORMAL REFERENCE RANGE” is “in range”, BUT — consider — THEY WANT YER BLOOD and will tell you all is fine all they way down to 13.. But then the avg “doc” will go and tell you “ your Testosterone is 375ng/dL YER FINE YOU DON’T NO STINKING TRSTOSTERONE..!”... right nice reverse double standards. L..... O..... L......
4. They tell us the high red cell count makes our blood flow poorer and increases clotting chance right? But the actual clot is formed by the platelets and that’s separate from an RBC. Yes platelets of course gets bled out as well, so it’s win/win - of course. Still my point here is THAT it is not necessarily the high RBC or the high Platelets that make us clot, but conditions or illness that occurs that triggers them. Like that harpoon in yer arm for example. (And you really have to wonder the long term potential platelet activation potential from all that scar tissue in the arm vein over the years.?!?) But take for example SMOKING, or let’s use NSAID USE for this example. Too much exposure to damaging chemicals to the linings of the vascular system/blood vessels creates an etched interior lining and hardening that presents to the body as the injury which it is. So IN THIS POST-HYDROCODONE NSAID APOCOLYPSE WE ARE NOW LIVING IN YOU CAN EXPECT EVERY ONE USING NSAIDS FOR PAIN AS THEY SLOWLY DESTROY THE LININGS OF THEIR VASCULAR SYSTEMS TO BE FLOODING THE E.R.s with DVTs AND THEN LIVING HALF-STROKED ON BLOOD THINNERS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. I coin it “
Hydropocolypse”.... 
You would NOT want to be running high on RBC’s or platelets in that scenario.
- ON SMOKING - I smoked cigs last summer for the first time in 20 years. After only one month of smoking I clogged the freggin 16ga blood draw needle for the first time ever.!!!
5. Hell they don’t even bother giving us the details on platelet counts present in blood because they don’t want you to realize that blood components REJUVENATE AT DIFFERENT RATES. And even get out of whack if you donate too often.
6. Blood letting does not decrease all components equally, or at least they won’t refurbish at the same rates. This is the real circle of inequality that results. Meaning RBCs, Ferritin, iron, platelets, hemoglobin, white cells, and God knows what else goes out//// returns at different rates & amounts. And for a myriad of potential reasons. E.G. THE MORE YOU LET AND THE FASTER YOU DUMP IT;
THE MORE SHIT WILL ALL WIND UP OUT OF WHACK ——. Translated - the next time you go, you are further reducing already skewed proportions of your blood components making things even MORE skewed. It’s no grand solution!! ———- back when there were some more technical folks around here they used to mention donating “Double Platelets, or double reds, or just platelets when possible”. Hell I don’t recall exactly but I see why now..
8. NOT ALL red blood cells carry hemoglobin which is the component of a red cell that carries blood gasses (breathing air).. The new hemoglobin that does return to new red blood cells may not ALL even be perfectly functional hemoglobin. (
This is beyond me and requires further research)....
9. FERRITIN - which I always thought was just another word for IRON. Apparently it is not at least in terms of BLOOD. Ferritin is a BLOOD PROTEIN whose apparent job is to carry iron. This comes out with your donation as well and only God knows what the true rate of replenishment is on that. But obviously if your ferritin should go low you most likely won’t be able to carry the iron you eat from the digestive tract to the bone marrow where RBCs are manufactured. HOW FERRITIN RELATES to actual function/action within the final produced blood cell itself is also out of my range of expertise. Perhaps it simply transports iron from the gut to the bone and other places. But I speculate Final production functional RBCs retain some form or ferritin derivative along with the iron that made them in order to enable the electronic capability of the cells within the vascular system. IN SHORT low ferritin could hypothetically POSSIBLY REDUCE your body’s electrical capacity VIA poor iron uptake & distribution, and THUS EVEN LOWER YOU CNS OPERATIONAL CAPACITY AT A LOCAL CELLULAR LEVEL. As a weaker spark usually means a weaker burn in the cylinder(cell), misfires, intermittent dead fires, and poorer overall performance.
10. Then again perhaps your steroid use is also amplifying the rate at which ferritin is synthesized in the body along with all the other increased protein production, and the net result may just be a big’ol iron dump every time you donate. Which is still an issue as lack of iron can often be the problem in manufacture of new RBCs in that it is a mineral that is not easy to replace. Hence why anemia (
once the condition is established) is so hard to straighten out. Have you ever seen the experiment where they crush up a bowl of cereal and put a magnet in it and all the iron that comes out stuck to it? That iron was NOT gonna get uptaked by yer gut readily either because it’s damn difficult to get iron into the body in a hurry/ ESPECIALLY VIA NON-FOOD SUPPLEMENTS. Perhaps via the finest “super-micro-ionized you could possibly pay for on terms of vitamins. Consider it a “biological safety governor for balance and protection”. The only way to really do it is to ingest chelated forms of it which means either thru eating the plants that pulled it out of the soil, or an animal that ate that plant. Else in terms of iron restoration you are whistling Dixie /to some degree at least.
11. Really the POINT of my last two tangents was that ferritin gets iron into the body cells that make blood with its and that iron involved in that process is critical to body electrical systems A.K.A. -THE CNS... YOU DONT WANT LOW IRON.
So overall I felt like shit for 4-5 months. I had a buddy that was also up around 20 on RBC count start up coincidentally around my 7th draw and I even warned him not to. BEHOLD! he chased that dragon too trying to get his count down and he did about 6 draws over 6 weeks and the same thing happened to him.
***YOU WILL GIVE UP ABOUT 3/4 POINT GIVE OR TAKE FOR EVERY BLOOD DONATION.
***.Once the number is lowered it does not just spring back. I am stable going once every 8 weeks on 2-300mgs test cup per week. I prefer to run around 16. Consider I run high naturally and have always clotted real fast.
WHAT DID I GAIN FROM BLOOD LETTING?? BP is a couple points lower but most notably when my BP is high I don’t hear that DINGING in my brain anymore.
test alone does not seem to grow my count that quickly even if I go crazy a few weeks on dosing.
@GManLifts - I can’t speak for experience during my recent blood donating days with regard to more aggressive steroidal agents. I think that EQ you were on is just injectable DBol basically and dbol is known to increase RBCs pretty fast. I speculate Nandrolone would too. I don’t recall if you mentioned that or not.
anyways - it’s THESE KIND OF DIATRIBES that occur when you take adderall and have down time. It’s also the reason I’m out of the posting game cause I go crazy..
oh and just find yer local place that draws for docs and medical establishments. You can go there every 8 weeks withOUT any special auths from docs..
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
