BigDadd7
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We don't care what some looksmaxxer who drifted over from reddit is asking. You're clearly not smart enough to know what to ask.
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Tren + deca hair safety?
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xrayphoton13
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That's not how deca only works. You'll have none of those issues if you leave the testosterone out, well maybe ED. I tried leaving test out of my cycles a few times to see what it's about but I did deca/dbol not deca/e2. Dbol aromatizes so you don't need e2. Had no issues with gyno/discharge/ED/bloat. I just don't like the feeling of it. Removes the joy from life. I felt cold/grey. Lost interest is things I enjoyed.
To op, They say test is best for a reason. Before aromatize inhibitors, testosterone was viewed as a dirty steroid and not used bc high e2 could lead to gyno. High dht could lead to hair loss. You won't have either with deca only. But you can avoid both while on testosterone by using aromasin, minoxidil, and dutasteride.
BigDadd7
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So you took a totally different cycle... this clown wants to take 500 deca plus e2. He's going to end up with elevated prolactin, among other issues.
Man didn't u hear he knows all the side effects and how to mitigate them?
Considering blasting it though. Estradiol is good for skin and hair collagen
bananafeet
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Hahha OP. Sometimes you have to run Tren to realise you can't handle the Tren.
There are NO hair safe steroids. Some are less androgenic therefore miniturarise hair follicles less, but they ALL will accelerate MPB.
Second point. With all due respect you're looking at the theory not the practical application. Go ahead and run your cycle. If it worked everyone would do it... The issue is synthetic androgens are incomplete. For example nandralone is a progestin. It has a flat end due to missing the 19th carbon.
This makes 19nors sluts. They merge with other receptors. If you want to go as loopy as a pregnant lady go ahead. That's basically the progestogenic effect. The secondary effect is lack of neurosteroids from the DHN. This lowers dopamine transport. Making you feel like an unmotivated, sulky and generally bad.
DHN + progesterone= dead dick after you hit a certain threshold due to prolactin. You know what also raised prolactin - masturbation, sex and being dumped. You kinda feel unmotivated and not interested in sex when that happens.
Go ahead and experiment but these guys know the practical application and reality.
There are NO hair safe steroids. Some are less androgenic therefore miniturarise hair follicles less, but they ALL will accelerate MPB.
Second point. With all due respect you're looking at the theory not the practical application. Go ahead and run your cycle. If it worked everyone would do it... The issue is synthetic androgens are incomplete. For example nandralone is a progestin. It has a flat end due to missing the 19th carbon.
This makes 19nors sluts. They merge with other receptors. If you want to go as loopy as a pregnant lady go ahead. That's basically the progestogenic effect. The secondary effect is lack of neurosteroids from the DHN. This lowers dopamine transport. Making you feel like an unmotivated, sulky and generally bad.
DHN + progesterone= dead dick after you hit a certain threshold due to prolactin. You know what also raised prolactin - masturbation, sex and being dumped. You kinda feel unmotivated and not interested in sex when that happens.
Go ahead and experiment but these guys know the practical application and reality.
Now seriously, we have 'done that, been there'. I already told you I did nandrolone only and hated the way it made me feel. Rather being suppressed than being on NPP only.
You're looking into the theories.
Nothing works in practice like it says on paper.
That anabolic:androgenicity ratio? Turinabol has a 0 androgenic rating so u can blast 100 mg a day and keep all ur hair?
How are u saying testosterone + dutasteride isn't effective if u never tried it?
People here have done a lot of research including with our own bodies FOR YEARS and we're trying to keep u SAFE.
I've been in your shoes and turns out, this community knew better. There's something u can't get from decades old studies and abandoned substances: self experience.
You're looking into the theories.
Nothing works in practice like it says on paper.
That anabolic:androgenicity ratio? Turinabol has a 0 androgenic rating so u can blast 100 mg a day and keep all ur hair?
How are u saying testosterone + dutasteride isn't effective if u never tried it?
People here have done a lot of research including with our own bodies FOR YEARS and we're trying to keep u SAFE.
I've been in your shoes and turns out, this community knew better. There's something u can't get from decades old studies and abandoned substances: self experience.
You need to understand that losing hair doesn’t necessarily comes from high DHT serum in the tissue ..
Overloading your androgen index can lead to androgen boldness..
I’ve done a few npp/tren + injectable estrogen cycles they were ok and sometimes great at first but once DHT starts to crash you’ll know that feeling..
If you care so much for your hair anabolic steroids are not for you.
IndividualMan
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transmaxxing? the people on 4chan had a term for this i think. something about the concept of ugly women being treated better than ugly men so you should trans yourself when ugly even if you are not trans.
Is this your secret goal?
bananafeet
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I think the confusion of OP comes from the benefits conferred by paracrine E2 aromatisation lowering the amount of ROS in tissues.
This is one of the reasons why testosterone is less toxic than synthetic androgens and most of the benifits of testosterone come from E2 (IGF1, less visceral fat, lipids, endothelial function, skin/hair etc).
This doesn't mean that a synthetic androgens + E2 is somehow better. As I posted before testosterone derivatives don't have all the functions of testosterone so therefore can't be used as a replacement.
OPs reasoning lacks depth of understanding of the secondary effects of these compounds.
As for transmaxxing, there is a lot of money to be made from men who can't admit to being gay so go for chicks with dicks lol
adrenalytic
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this thread gave me gyno
I feel like you don't know much about Deca from this comment.
Leaky tits aren't a thing on Deca only. Deca by itself doesn't raise prolactin. Period. Deca +Test = Prolactin
ED? Not with exogenous E2. If E2 is in range you shouldn't get ED on Deca only. You don't need DHT or Test to get boners.
Bloat and water? Uh no. Deca by itself is pretty dry. Deca + a bunch of Test = water buffalo.
I'm not saying everyone should chuck their Test in the trash anytime soon for Deca only but there are guys who've proven beyond all doubt you don't NEED Test at all to have a productive, relatively healthy cycle. And it's pretty hilarious to see someone attribute a bunch of sides that are caused by conjoining Test with Deca to a guy running Deca by itself. LOL
BigDadd7
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What's really funny is you on a harm reduction forum green lighting some clown running 500 deca with e2. All while pretending deca doesn't cause bloat and prolactin issues at that dose.
What's funny is being so confidently ignorant you think Deca raises prolactin in the absence of Testosterone. It doesn't.
In terms of harm reduction, the worst thing that might happen to this guy running Deca by itself is..not much. Some guys are prone to ED on Deca only due to a lack of E2 which OP has already addressed with exogenous E2. That's about it. The worst complaint I've seen from people running Deca only is "I didn't feel as good as I did with Test". Hardly a resounding put down.
I would bet 100 crisp US dollars if you gave a dozen guys 500mg of Deca with no Test and a dozen guys 500mg of Test, the 500mg of Test guys would lead in side effects like gyno and hair loss 10:1. There's plenty of medical literature giving guys Deca by itself with little to side effects.
I'm not saying it's ideal for everyone but as far as cycles and harm reduction go, Deca only is pretty damn well tolerated by most.
BigDadd7
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OK brah. You wont find many people that agree with that nonsense. I wonder if all the pros that run test as a base know they should just be running deca?
And there is zero medical literature showing guys running 500 deca with little side effects.
I never said the pros should be running Deca as a base you clown. Read my post again instead of just coming up with some dumb ass response that has nothing to do with what I said.
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.00032.2003
Here's a study with 600mg of Deca for 12 weeks, in AIDS patients no less who probably had relatively fragile health to begun with, that says "In both studies, there were no new or worsening urinary symptoms, change in PSA for the older men, increases in blood pressure, occurrence of edema, onset of cardiorespiratory symptoms, or change in blood urea nitrogen"
Feel free to be quiet when grown folks are talking.
BigDadd7
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Are you retarded? Is OP an aids patient? No one was worried about urinary symptoms or prostate issues. The concern is prolactin and e2. Great reading comprehension. Good luck on your aids journey.
The only retard here is the guy who can't make the mental connection that if 600 Deca a week didn't do anything bad to a bunch of unhealthy AIDS patients, it's definitely not going to hurt a young, healthy male. And we are back to square one with your dumb ass parroting a bunch of bro science with no evidence to back it up.
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