Yes I meant hypo sorry about that, I agree totally Swale - he should have been brought up regularly then made his own decision, he is small for his age, though his vegetarian sister is big for her's, she doesn't force it on her children - if they come out with me I buy them meat dishes if that's what they ask for, they are just both happy having vege meals most of the time at home. I will have to talk to my friend. Thanks for your advice bro