Reta fasted bloodglucose start creeping up

[Lifting88]

Since i start reta my morning bloodsugar seems to get higher instead of lower

This morning my fasted bloodsugar is 8.7 mnol

How is this possible its diabetes high

Im on (per week)
3/4 reta
8 iu hgh down to 5.5iu daily
500mcg kpv dialy (first time )
300 test c
100 tren a
100mg t4
40 telmasartan
12.5 hct

 

[29trt]

Morning blood glucose is not a good indicator of anything for some people because of glycogen dump from the liver.... This especially happens on a diet because over night your gut has nothing to digest so you go a little hypo towards the morning so your body panics and makes your liver dump glucose to keep you alive hence a high reading.
Either take your BG a little later than you do now without eating of course or wake up earlier and do it than.... Still it's pretty useless metric because it depends on the timing so much.
Want to know what is your insulin sensitivity? you have to also measure your insulin level at the same time- only way.

 

[29trt]

Ah also in some people Tren makes BG worse for some reason.... It might be the fact that it's meant to do that seeing as its used to make feed more efficient for cows hence why it's used on a diet .... most of the time. And why it gives some people great gains on a bulk probably because they can't eat enough usually, but tren makes you absorb more of the food you ingest .... speculation of course....nobody knows exactly wtf tren does in the human body ...

 

[bananafeet]

Since i start reta my morning bloodsugar seems to get higher instead of lower

This morning my fasted bloodsugar is 8.7 mnol

How is this possible its diabetes high

Im on (per week)
3/4 reta
8 iu hgh down to 5.5iu daily
500mcg kpv dialy (first time )
300 test c
100 tren a
100mg t4
40 telmasartan
12.5 hct

You're on multiple diabetogenic compounds:
HGH (high dose)
Retatrutide (glucagon agonist)

In this case tirzepatide would be a better choice for increasing insulin sensitivity. I'm not sure on how tren effects blood sugar but I've heard anecdotal effects of it causing hypoglycemia.

I'm not familiar with how the other compounds work.

 

[Lifting88]

You're on multiple diabetogenic compounds:
HGH (high dose)
Retatrutide (glucagon agonist)

In this case tirzepatide would be a better choice for increasing insulin sensitivity. I'm not sure on how tren effects blood sugar but I've heard anecdotal effects of it causing hypoglycemia.

I'm not familiar with how the other compounds work.

Why is tirza better can you explain

 

[bananafeet]

Why is tirza better can you explain

It doesn't increase blood glucose and free fatty acids from glucagon activation like retatrutide does. Retatrutide relies on GIP and GLP1 agonism to control the effects of glucagon.

Tirzepatide helps lower blood glucose by increasing insulin excretion via the GIP activation and also by GLP1.

So tirzepatide would be better in your case if controlling blood sugar become more important. That's my understanding.

By taking HGH you're increasing fat lipolysis. It's probably too much for the retatrutide to clean up.

 

[Nidus]

Do labs and check for Hba1c, Homa, c-peptide and pro-insulin levels.
Also document BG not just fasted but also 1h after a meal to see how your body reacts to foods

In the meantime you could throw in a little bit of metformin and or an slgt2 or just lower your GH overall and wait until you got bloods to see if there is an underlying issue with your pancreas (hence c-peptide, pro-insulin)

Edit: I'd also drop the Tren as it tends to really fuck up blood sugar for people, making them go hypo at random times or just elevating BG

 

[Lifting88]

Do labs and check for Hba1c, Homa, c-peptide and pro-insulin levels.
Also document BG not just fasted but also 1h after a meal to see how your body reacts to foods

In the meantime you could throw in a little bit of metformin and or an slgt2 or just lower your GH overall and wait until you got bloods to see if there is an underlying issue with your pancreas (hence c-peptide, pro-insulin)

Edit: I'd also drop the Tren as it tends to really fuck up blood sugar for people, making them go hypo at random times or just elevating BG

Tren will drop this week that was already the plan
Going to cruise at 20 mg test e a day with only reta and kpv
And 40mg telma 5mg rosu are always in

I will see how things goes when dropping tren first after 2 weeks i will drop hgh

Maybe will do bloodwork this week but plan was to do it after 6 weeks cruise

 

[Lifting88]

Morning blood glucose is not a good indicator of anything for some people because of glycogen dump from the liver.... This especially happens on a diet because over night your gut has nothing to digest so you go a little hypo towards the morning so your body panics and makes your liver dump glucose to keep you alive hence a high reading.
Either take your BG a little later than you do now without eating of course or wake up earlier and do it than.... Still it's pretty useless metric because it depends on the timing so much.
Want to know what is your insulin sensitivity? you have to also measure your insulin level at the same time- only way.

Did a new test after training didnt eat for 3 hours 9mnol

Time to change my protocol

 

[sionnach]

Did a new test after training didnt eat for 3 hours 9mnol

Without GLP-1s, you still have whatever you ate 3hrs before in your digestive tract for another 3-5 hrs though. On reta or any other GLP-1 it could even be 10 more hrs. What were the macros on whatever you ate?

 

[Ghoul]

Did a new test after training didnt eat for 3 hours 9mnol

Time to change my protocol

Reta is not as effective for treating diabetes as Tirz. It doesn't control glucose as well, and it sounds like you need it.

Or change something else in your protocol like you said.

 

[eryximachus]

Without GLP-1s, you still have whatever you ate 3hrs before in your digestive tract for another 3-5 hrs though. On reta or any other GLP-1 it could even be 10 more hrs. What were the macros on whatever you ate?

10 hours?

Does that improve over time?

 

[Ghoul]

10 hours?

Does that improve over time?

Yes. Gastric transit time Initially can be 50% slower than normal.

Once you reach a stable dose, "maintenance", often around 12-16 weeks, it's closer to 25% slower.

Long term, 20 weeks+, your system has fully acclimated, and it's only about 10% slower and not noticeable at all.

 

[Lifting88]

Tren is out for 10 day
Hgh for 2 dayd

Bloodsugar this morning 5mnol instead of 8

 

[sionnach]

You still haven't told us how much sugar you're eating.

 

[BP_6]

Tren is out for 10 day
Hgh for 2 dayd

Bloodsugar this morning 5mnol instead of 8

Do you take any of your HGH before bed? This in a high enough dose for most people will for sure increase your FBG in the morning and is to be expected. Although admittedly it shouldn't be that high.

 

[Lifting88]

Do you take any of your HGH before bed? This in a high enough dose for most people will for sure increase your FBG in the morning and is to be expected. Although admittedly it shouldn't be that high.

All hgh prebed
Never had it this high at 8

 

[Lifting88]

You still haven't told us how much sugar you're eating.

At 3400 kcal i eat

You still haven't told us how much sugar you're eating.

Around 60 grams per day on 380 g carbs

 

[sionnach]

380 g carbs

 

[Eddie.]

It's been told many times here that when you take HGH especially at night it alters the FBG and gives a false positive. If you skip 1-2 days the reading becomes more accurate without directly meaning that HGH was skewing the FBG but only the reading. I hope you understood it with my poor explanation.

Also, FBG is just one reading in 24h. What your numbers are right before a meal and after 1-1,5 hour i think it's more important overall.