Question about new training plan

[buzzingonaas]

I just got a bodybuilding coach and received my meal plan and training plan (off season), the volume of exercises seems to be a little on the extreme side and curious what you guys think about it? Want to stress that I’m not trying to devalue my coach’s knowledge but it seems very different than what I’ve done before, and I’m aiming to get maximum hypertrophy results from it. Obviously paying to be coached and want to make sure i’m getting the most out of the money and that I’m in good hands

for context, chest burnout is 7 exercises, extremely high rep for one set each. chest & back is 10 exercises, 3-4 sets each in mid to high rep range.

back&biceps A is 6 exercises, 4 sets of each

back&biceps B is 9 exercises, 5 sets of each, 10 reps

Shoulders&triceps only 15 second rest between sets with supersets, 7 sets of lateral raises, 3 sets of everything else, 7 sets of tricep overhead extensions.

timing doesn’t make much sense either? chest and back monday followed by back and biceps on tuesday. Not trying to challenge my coach but this is a brand new coach and I want to make sure i’m getting maximum growth out of this off season period. Feels almost like a crossfit workout rather than one geared towards strictly hypertrophy and very curious what some seasoned bodybuilders think about it.

for context, I’m on 400mg test cyp and 300mg primo

 

[Mac11wildcat]

What’s the directed intensity for the working sets?

On the surface this looks like shit but there are many ways to skin the training cat. Prefer to not try and pick apart a coaches work, but this one’s tough.

Have you asked him for the rationale for this approach?

 

[buzzingonaas]

What’s the directed intensity for the working sets?

On the surface this looks like shit but there are many ways to skin the training cat. Prefer to not try and pick apart a coaches work, but this one’s tough.

Have you asked him for the rationale for this approach?

So I asked him about it to make sure it’s finalized. He said he’s still making some changes, I just hope it’s a lot of changes. It does mention full intensity so I’ll update with any changes he makes, I was seeing pretty good growth on my current training split and was hoping for something similar as i’m not really trying to burn a ton of fat and overload myself in an off season. But hoping he’ll change it a bit because not sure if I’ll feel confident following this split for long term, especially while trying to maximize growth

 

[Mac11wildcat]

If he says these sets are supposed to be to failure then this is a terrible training plan.

 

[buzzingonaas]

One update: This is supposedly the breakdown of that workout outline I posted yesterday, so it looks like it’s sticking. In going for a strictly hypertrophy-based context, i’m just worried that this program will hold me back a lot as opposed to something pretty drastically different. I do have another very well respected and knowledgeable coach I can go with if this one doesn’t work out, but one of the biggest upsides was that this coach lives locally, and also has coached some guys to do well in NPC shows

 

[Mac11wildcat]

What does he define as a burnout…? Also where’s the leg work?

Bosu ball anything is a giant red flag, especially for something as silly as “Superman’s”. These are a mobility movement, you’re not building muscle manipulating your body weight thru a 6” movement in a bosu ball.

THIRTY SIX sets on chest/back.

No additional cues or intent listed for movements.

 

[buzzingonaas]

What does he define as a burnout…? Also where’s the leg work?

Bosu ball anything is a giant red flag, especially for something as silly as “Superman’s”.

THIRTY SIX sets on chest/back.

Chest Burnout:
1. 1 set DB Bench Press x50 reps
2. 1 set decline push-ups x20+ reps
3. 1 set DB Inner Press x50 reps
4. Flies machine triple drop set to failure
5. 1 set Push-ups x20+ reps
6. Chest Press x50 reps
7. Smith Machine Incline Bench press 5 sec negative x20+ reps

^this is supposedly the burnout right before leading into the full chest workout

Oh and forgot to mention he also wrote “100 wide grip pull-ups every day” and i’ve also got minimum 300 calories burned thru stair master or treadmill every day as well as cardio warmups and cool downs on training days

 

[Mac11wildcat]

You do this before a full chest workout? By the looks of it, BEFORE a 36 set chest/back day?

 

[buzzingonaas]

You do this before a full chest workout? By the looks of it, BEFORE a 36 set chest/back day?

yessir, that’s what it’s looking like… and keep in mind this is to put on mass. If i start doing this, plus the extra cardio, my 500 calorie surplus will no doubt turn into a deficit

 

[Mac11wildcat]

yessir, that’s what it’s looking like… and keep in mind this is to put on mass. If i start doing this, plus the extra cardio, my 500 calorie surplus will no doubt turn into a deficit

IMHO this is the definition of junk volume. You (being anyone) don’t have to train as strictly progressive overload/low volume/high intensity as myself or some guys do, but this is a bit crazy. This looks like an easy 2hrs+ in the gym just based on changing equipment, getting ready/set up, executing all working sets with enough time to catch your breath, and being beat down halfway thru with little chance of meaningful work occurring.

 

[buzzingonaas]

IMHO this is the definition of junk volume. You (being anyone) don’t have to train as strictly progressive overload/low volume/high intensity as myself or some guys do, but this is a bit crazy. This looks like an easy 2hrs+ in the gym just based on changing equipment, getting ready/set up, executing all working sets with enough time to catch your breath, and being beat down halfway thru with little chance of meaningful work occurring.

thanks for the input, I wanted some opinions from some guys with more experience than myself. I know personally, a few years ago when I was doing cross circuit training similar to this, I got a good body composition from it, pretty lean, but was not building as much muscle and fatigue was really high with recovery pretty low, appreciate your input and I think I may be looking at switching to a coach such as J3U as someone else on here recommended to me. I’d be worried about this coach designing a PED protocol for me based on the training and some of the supplements he’s recommended, want to have someone I can trust taking me through the process carefully

 

[Mac11wildcat]

thanks for the input, I wanted some opinions from some guys with more experience than myself. I know personally, a few years ago when I was doing cross circuit training similar to this, I got a good body composition from it, pretty lean, but was not building as much muscle and fatigue was really high with recovery pretty low, appreciate your input and I think I may be looking at switching to a coach such as J3U as someone else on here recommended to me. I’d be worried about this coach designing a PED protocol for me based on the training and some of the supplements he’s recommended, want to have someone I can trust taking me through the process carefully

Feel free to post any other details or DM me anything else that concerns you in your plan.

The training piece is tough to find the rationale in, but at the end of the day it isn’t dangerous. Danger is a whole different issue.

J3U, John and Luke, and guys that coach on the same principles are a solid choice and with a bit of research are fairly common across many price points. Can’t go wrong there.

 

[MR_Midas]

You do this before a full chest workout? By the looks of it, BEFORE a 36 set chest/back day?

It seems to me that you can get a little tired of this

 

[MR_Midas]

yessir, that’s what it’s looking like… and keep in mind this is to put on mass. If i start doing this, plus the extra cardio, my 500 calorie surplus will no doubt turn into a deficit

Kind of a huge amount of work, in my opinion.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Kind of a huge amount of work, in my opinion.

gave it a go for the last few weeks, the pumps are great and i’m getting growth out of it (on second blast so obviously going to grow), but not too happy with lack of attention/responses from coach so giving it up once monthly payment is supposed to renew

 

[MR_Midas]

Now I understand.

gave it a go for the last few weeks, the pumps are great and i’m getting growth out of it (on second blast so obviously going to grow), but not too happy with lack of attention/responses from coach so giving it up once monthly payment is supposed to renew