Oils crashing vs Freezing (are they the same?)

[RockyP]

Might be a topic on the minds of others given the season, but wondering if there is a difference between handling / reviving oils that are frozen vs crashed.

Cursory reading of MCT oil freezing point seems to have it around 23 F, but wondering if the solution is frozen (but not "crashed" - aka no crystal formation), is it best to revive it by just leaving it at room temp, or use the un-crash method of mug warmer followed by baby wipe warmer if using the oil immediately?

Also, it's been a long time since chem 101 - for a solution such as PED in oils, can they freeze without crashing? Or would freezing imply that the API has fallen out of solution / crashed?

@Photon? Anyone?

 

[BigDadd7]

Might be a topic on the minds of others given the season, but wondering if there is a difference between handling / reviving oils that are frozen vs crashed.

Cursory reading of MCT oil freezing point seems to have it around 23 F, but wondering if the solution is frozen (but not "crashed" - aka no crystal formation), is it best to revive it by just leaving it at room temp, or use the un-crash method of mug warmer followed by baby wipe warmer if using the oil immediately?

Also, it's been a long time since chem 101 - for a solution such as PED in oils, can they freeze without crashing? Or would freezing imply that the API has fallen out of solution / crashed?

@Photon? Anyone?

A lot of it depends on the saturation. 200mg/ml would be a lot more forgiving than 400mg/ml.

 

[RockyP]

A lot of it depends on the saturation. 200mg/ml would be a lot more forgiving than 400mg/ml.

Yup - and the information I found regarding freezing MCT was referencing just pure MCT and not solutions like we are talking about that contain API, MCT, and BA / BB. I know these oils can be frozen for long term usage, so that would indicate that freezing is not the same as crashing. Though guys have received oils this time of year that are both frozen and crashed.

 

[Photon]

Might be a topic on the minds of others given the season, but wondering if there is a difference between handling / reviving oils that are frozen vs crashed.

Cursory reading of MCT oil freezing point seems to have it around 23 F, but wondering if the solution is frozen (but not "crashed" - aka no crystal formation), is it best to revive it by just leaving it at room temp, or use the un-crash method of mug warmer followed by baby wipe warmer if using the oil immediately?

Also, it's been a long time since chem 101 - for a solution such as PED in oils, can they freeze without crashing? Or would freezing imply that the API has fallen out of solution / crashed?

@Photon? Anyone?

Gear that will crash will most slightly start crashing first before freezing unless you use liquid nitrogen or something and force an immediate state change.

I have a vial of Test D 550 with no solvents. Crystals started forming at -20c way before it finally froze. OEP TRE, no crash, just froze. BU750, zero solvents, no crash or freeze, liquid state after 1 month at -20c. Injectable pre workouts? I've never had one freeze. DBOL SDROL MTREN TNE ADROL etc.

Lower temps does increase the odds of crashing but it does not need to crash to freeze, I've also had zero solvent Test D vials freeze but revert back to an uncrashed state at room temperature without heating. The frozen TRE vial also turns back to liquid at room temperature without any signs of crashing.

 

[RockyP]

Gear that will crash will most slightly start crashing first before freezing unless you use liquid nitrogen or something and force an immediate state change.

I have a vial of Test D 550 with no solvents. Crystals started forming at -20c way before it finally froze. OEP TRE, no crash, just froze. BU750, zero solvents, no crash or freeze, liquid state after 1 month at -20c. Injectable pre workouts? I've never had one freeze. DBOL SDROL MTREN TNE ADROL etc.

Lower temps does increase the odds of crashing but it does not need to crash to freeze, I've also had zero solvent Test D vials freeze but revert back to an uncrashed state at room temperature without heating. The frozen TRE vial also turns back to liquid at room temperature without any signs of crashing.

Thank you very much for this - especially the part about injectable PWO’s. Will be of interest to many in the community at this time I think.