Macros on Intermittent fasting help?

[Docd187123]

Are you fucking joking? Glucose is definitely a carb....

Also
A critical examination of dietary protein requirements, benefits, and excesses in athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

Perceived protein needs and measured protein intake in collegiate male athletes: an observational study

Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

Protein requirements for endurance athletes. - PubMed - NCBI


There's plenty more. Not going to spoon feed you. Also keep in mind that some of these studies done are on top level "athletes". Not gym bros who go to the ymca and do a split 5x a week.

Spoon feed me? Yet you ask me for the same thing I asked you lmao?

Your first link is only an abstract nothing more. Basically worthless.

Your second link is an observational study which doesn't prove anything.

Your third link uses nitrogen balance as the measure and I already told you the errors present with using nitrogen balance as an indicator for muscle gain or loss.

Your final link says nothing about going over the minimum requirements and doesn't show anything saying they're of no benefit.

Nice try but you haven't proved anything with any of those links lol.

Now if you'll give me till later after I finish work and the gym I'll do my best to "spoon feed" you tonight.

 

[Volley_Fire]

Throwing this in here for information' sake.

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/8/art%253A10.1186%252F1550-2783-11-19.pdf?originUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fjissn.biomedcentral.com%2Farticle%2F10.1186%2F1550-2783-11-19&token2=exp=1457468894~acl=%2Fstatic%2Fpdf%2F8%2Fart%25253A10.1186%25252F1550-2783-11-19.pdf*~hmac=04cc3a09c3426b9fb54c35d47908373a84372ba0269f661c5aa1ea267beeda63

I'd like to know if the conclusion of this study is accurate.

 

[Docd187123]

Throwing this in here for information' sake.

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/8/art%253A10.1186%252F1550-2783-11-19.pdf?originUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fjissn.biomedcentral.com%2Farticle%2F10.1186%2F1550-2783-11-19&token2=exp=1457468894~acl=%2Fstatic%2Fpdf%2F8%2Fart%25253A10.1186%25252F1550-2783-11-19.pdf*~hmac=04cc3a09c3426b9fb54c35d47908373a84372ba0269f661c5aa1ea267beeda63

I'd like to know if the conclusion of this study is accurate.

It's a better study than most of what the other poster posted bc it didn't use nitrogen balance as an indicator for LBM but used a bod pod instead which is much more accurate.

However there are a few drawbacks to the study which make it hard to fully interpret the results.

The study participants were not on a controlled diet. Rather they were told to log their diets via an app or pen and paper so we don't know how accurate they were.

The training program wasn't standardized. Participants were told to keep their exact same training programs so who knows what they did and whether it was effective or not regardless of the protein intake.

Finally, it would be interesting to see them have an added group and compared a high protein but isocaloric diet to see what differences would have presented themselves if any

 

[Janoy crevesa]

Fine fuck it. If you want to buy into the protein hype go ahead. That much just isn't needed.

 

[Docd187123]

Fine fuck it. If you want to buy into the protein hype go ahead. That much just isn't needed.

I never said it was needed. I think 1g/lb BW is plenty. I'm about 205-210lbs right now and take in anywhere from 175-225g a day depending on what I eat. I'm just saying that to say more than that is worthless could be inaccurate and taking in half that, which is what you're suggesting be done, is not optimal.

 

[Janoy crevesa]

I never said it was needed. I think 1g/lb BW is plenty. I'm about 205-210lbs right now and take in anywhere from 175-225g a day depending on what I eat. I'm just saying that to say more than that is worthless could be inaccurate and taking in half that, which is what you're suggesting be done, is not optimal.

same. sitting at 200 and take it approx. 200. I just see so many people on here promoting ridiculous claims like 300-500g protein and absurd things like that. I'm saying op could get away with 200 because his lbm is likely far less than 250. Plus take into account that many people greatly under estimate their bodyfat. His bodyfat is at the point where the body will have no trouble dropping it vs catabolizing muscle in comparison to someone going sub 10%.

 

[Docd187123]

same. sitting at 200 and take it approx. 200. I just see so many people on here promoting ridiculous claims like 300-500g protein and absurd things like that. I'm saying op could get away with 200 because his lbm is likely far less than 250. Plus take into account that many people greatly under estimate their bodyfat. His bodyfat is at the point where the body will have no trouble dropping it vs catabolizing muscle in comparison to someone going sub 10%.

I have no issues agreeing with this actually.

And to be honest with powerlifting as my #1 goal, I find carbs are the most important macro for me. I can make progress with even lower protein than what I'm taking in but if I go low carb my performance suffers quite a bit.

 

[Easyroller]

I Readjusted everything today and i was fucking starving all day.. Ill post up what I put together to eat. Also when adding the macros of everything up do I count like lets say the few grams of protein in rice towards my protein for the day?

 

[Docd187123]

I Readjusted everything today and i was fucking starving all day.. Ill post up what I put together to eat. Also when adding the macros of everything up do I count like lets say the few grams of protein in rice towards my protein for the day?

It is protein so I count it but some people don't. What matters is consistency with if you do or do not.

 

[Docd187123]

Increased protein intake reduces lean body mass loss during weight loss in athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

Role of protein and amino acids in promoting lean mass accretion with resistance exercise and attenuating lean mass loss during energy deficit in hum... - PubMed - NCBI

Anabolic and catabolic hormones and energy balance of the male bodybuilders during the preparation for the competition. - PubMed - NCBI

Efficacy of phosphatidic acid ingestion on lean body mass, muscle thickness and strength gains in resistance-trained men. - PubMed - NCBI

Effects of resistance training and protein plus amino acid supplementation on muscle anabolism, mass, and strength. - PubMed - NCBI

Dietary protein for athletes: from requirements to optimum adaptation. - PubMed - NCBI