Lower belly fat

[akilcelen]

Hi guys,

I'm cutting now for 2 months I started at 20-22% bf and now I'm sitting around 10-12%. The problem is lower belly is not going. I just don't want to continue my cutting diet anymore just becuz I keep losing fat from everywhere but lower belly. I need to find a solution to this as fast as possible. My suspicions so far are high cortisol and poor sleep quality. You guys have any advice? The drugs I'm using so far: Test c 250mg/week( split in 2 pins), tren ace 176 mg/ week ( split in 3 pins) GH 8-10 IU / day. And I'm running other supplements to control my blood pressure and other variables to keep my health. I need your help to get rid of this lower belly forever.

 

[RockyP]

Hi guys,

I'm cutting now for 2 months I started at 20-22% bf and now I'm sitting around 10-12%. The problem is lower belly is not going. I just don't want to continue my cutting diet anymore just becuz I keep losing fat from everywhere but lower belly. I need to find a solution to this as fast as possible. My suspicions so far are high cortisol and poor sleep quality. You guys have any advice? The drugs I'm using so far: Test c 250mg/week( split in 2 pins), tren ace 176 mg/ week ( split in 3 pins) GH 8-10 IU / day. And I'm running other supplements to control my blood pressure and other variables to keep my health. I need your help to get rid of this lower belly forever.

There's really not that much fat there, at least not proportionally so. The compounds you're using seem appropriate (though that GH dosage is a bit on the high side for someone your size). See how things are after dropping another few percentage points on the BF. There are a host of other metabolic enhances to consider (anywhere from L-Car to Clen, MOTS-C, SLU, etc.). I think you just need some more time cutting down.

Separate issue - how is your fasting blood sugar on that dosage of GH?

 

[akilcelen]

There's really not that much fat there, at least not proportionally so. The compounds you're using seem appropriate (though that GH dosage is a bit on the high side for someone your size). See how things are after dropping another few percentage points on the BF. There are a host of other metabolic enhances to consider (anywhere from L-Car to Clen, MOTS-C, SLU, etc.). I think you just need some more time cutting down.

Separate issue - how is your fasting blood sugar on that dosage of GH?

I never measured my bs since it hasn't been an issue so far, but I will tell my dosing protocol. I take 3 IU of GH (Inside the fat) in the morning fasted and do some cardio for 90 mins low intensity. Then I get 1.5 grams of berberine followed by a meal of 50 grams of oatmeal and 35 grams of protein. Then before I eat my preworkout meal, I take 1 serving of the stack that I put down below + 1 gram of berberine to control my blood sugar And then in the gym I take 2-3IU of GH this time IM as prewotkout before gym. And lastly I take Before sleep 3-4 IU.

 

[akilcelen]

There's really not that much fat there, at least not proportionally so. The compounds you're using seem appropriate (though that GH dosage is a bit on the high side for someone your size). See how things are after dropping another few percentage points on the BF. There are a host of other metabolic enhances to consider (anywhere from L-Car to Clen, MOTS-C, SLU, etc.). I think you just need some more time cutting down.

Separate issue - how is your fasting blood sugar on that dosage of GH?

I'm planning on running sr9009 and cardarine accompanied by slu pp 332 for 2 more weeks and see if it does smth.

 

[RockyP]

I never measured my bs since it hasn't been an issue so far, but I will tell my dosing protocol. I take 3 IU of GH (Inside the fat) in the morning fasted and do some cardio for 90 mins low intensity. Then I get 1.5 grams of berberine followed by a meal of 50 grams of oatmeal and 35 grams of protein. Then before I eat my preworkout meal, I take 1 serving of the stack that I put down below + 1 gram of berberine to control my blood sugar And then in the gym I take 2-3IU of GH this time IM as prewotkout before gym. And lastly I take Before sleep 3-4 IU.

How did you titrate up the GH to that dosage? Even at my heaviest when I was in my 20's (265 lbs) i never went above 6 iu (maybe I should have). Not everyone gets BS issues, but if that GH is real (i'm sure it is) that's a hefty dosage that I would expect someone to work up to over many years and usually have some fasting sugar issues (not always - huge variability here).

Also, I know a lot of people like to do GH in the AM before cardio but the science doesn't really jive with that, as it takes a good 4 hours post-injection to start doing it's thing. One option is to take the whole dose at night prior to bed, this way you've got all those free fatty acids liberating while you sleep and then when you wake up for fasted cardio you're good to go.

 

[Ghoul]

Blood flow is very low in that area, and it's the first place adipocytes become resistant to signaling to release fat stores. It also becomes fibrotic over time, making it even harder to eliminate.

If you're as lean as you want to get, there's really only one solution, lipo. It's fairly minor as far as cosmetic surgery goes, but the sooner the better so your skin has the best chance of fully retracting. rHGH will help.

Unfortunately it can regrow (but not nearly as bad as before lipo) if you let yourself go, so you'll have to cut right away if it starts to appear again.

 

[akilcelen]

How did you titrate up the GH to that dosage? Even at my heaviest when I was in my 20's (265 lbs) i never went above 6 iu (maybe I should have). Not everyone gets BS issues, but if that GH is real (i'm sure it is) that's a hefty dosage that I would expect someone to work up to over many years and usually have some fasting sugar issues (not always - huge variability here).

Also, I know a lot of people like to do GH in the AM before cardio but the science doesn't really jive with that, as it takes a good 4 hours post-injection to start doing it's thing. One option is to take the whole dose at night prior to bed, this way you've got all those free fatty acids liberating while you sleep and then when you wake up for fasted cardio you're good to go.

I take my GH from opti since it's one the most reputable brands out there. Im also not a fan of running too much GH, but just during the cutting phase taking a lil too much works great so I do it. During my lean bulk phase I will take max 4-5 IU of gh. Cuz when you on too much carbs without insulin, it becomes impossible to control bs. But anyways first I have to get rid of this excess fat on the lower belly. It lately bacame the bane of my existence

 

[akilcelen]

Blood flow is very low in that area, and it's the first place adipocytes become resistant to signaling to release fat stores. It also becomes fibrotic over time, making it even harder to eliminate.

If you're as lean as you want to get, there's really only one solution, lipo. It's fairly minor as far as cosmetic surgery goes, but the sooner the better so your skin has the best chance of fully retracting. rHGH will help.

Unfortunately it can regrow (but not nearly as bad as before lipo) if you let yourself go, so you'll have to cut right away if it starts to appear again.

Ye dude, that's gonna be my choice if I don't see any progress in the next 2 weeks. I ordered a cortisol gel that inhibits the cortisol receptors locally. Maybe that's gon work we will see.

 

[Ghoul]

Ye dude, that's gonna be my choice if I don't see any progress in the next 2 weeks. I ordered a cortisol gel that inhibits the cortisol receptors locally. Maybe that's gon work we will see.

Can't hurt to try.

 

[RockyP]

I'd just like to reiterate that judging by the pics there is not an excess amount of lower ab fat in proportion to your overall BF% - if you were peeled and had a small lower ab pooch that's one thing - see how it goes over the next few months of cutting. Lower ab / low back / flank fat can be the LAST area to go in some people. I've seen guys at su 10% BF who still have the low back fat. Genetics are a bitch.

 

[KOArtist]

Clen + alpha yohimbine, pre-cardio, has been a fat inferno for me lately, ymmv

 

[krvuxn]

I have the same issue. I had shredded glutes last August but still had lower belly fat. Not a lot but it meant that you couldn’t see my lower abs unless the light was just right or I was lying down.

In a similar situation now, but was using yohimbine, clen and also did 2 weeks DNP - now there’s a lot less lower belly fat compared to the fat on the rest of my body. The ratio of lower belly fat : fat everywhere else is much lower. Next cut I do I imagine I’ll be able to get rid of it entirely.

I don’t think cosmetic surgery is a good option, you’ll be in pain and have drains for weeks. Just continue cutting, will save your wallet too.

TLDR, use yohimbine / alpha yohimbine, clen, fasted cardio, and the stubborn areas will shrink.

 

[RockyP]

There used to be a topical Yohimbine product 15-20 years ago that worked very well for this - I recall the creator was on another Board and shared that Ronnie had ordered 10 - 12 bottles at a time. I used it pre cardio and it worked amazingly. Not sure if there are similar products available these days. Personally I can't tolerate oral Yohimbine.

 

[akilcelen]

Running all alpha yohimbine + GH+ cardarine + Slu + tta multiple times throughout the day. Keeping the cortisol low and getting quality sleep. I will post the change in the lower belly within a week here.

 

[dinfar1337]

Hi guys,

I'm cutting now for 2 months I started at 20-22% bf and now I'm sitting around 10-12%. The problem is lower belly is not going. I just don't want to continue my cutting diet anymore just becuz I keep losing fat from everywhere but lower belly. I need to find a solution to this as fast as possible. My suspicions so far are high cortisol and poor sleep quality. You guys have any advice? The drugs I'm using so far: Test c 250mg/week( split in 2 pins), tren ace 176 mg/ week ( split in 3 pins) GH 8-10 IU / day. And I'm running other supplements to control my blood pressure and other variables to keep my health. I need your help to get rid of this lower belly forever.

you are not 10-12% bodyfat. being fair i would say 15% maybe higher.

you are not that big so you have to have less kg of fat overall to have more bf %.



you can say your bodyfat is closer to 12% once you shoulder striations and more back definition. sorry to say it but i can tell you're not 12% just from your back its really not that peeled.

 

[akilcelen]

you are not 10-12% bodyfat. being fair i would say 15% maybe higher.

you are not that big so you have to have less kg of fat overall to have more bf %.



you can say your bodyfat is closer to 12% once you shoulder striations and more back definition. sorry to say it but i can tell you're not 12% just from your back its really not that peeled.

Lol I can look 10 percent bf with that lighting my friend. I would say I'm 12 percent bf now (today). since I'm running a 2k caloric deficit with low insulin between meals since 3 days I Lost more than 600 grams of pure fat already. Belly shrinked so much now you can't hold it without grabbing it all when checked in the morning. Im wondered for how long can I run it like this. I'm smashing sleep and managing cortisol. Not feeling tired or anything so far. We will see...

 

[akilcelen]

you are not 10-12% bodyfat. being fair i would say 15% maybe higher.

you are not that big so you have to have less kg of fat overall to have more bf %.



you can say your bodyfat is closer to 12% once you shoulder striations and more back definition. sorry to say it but i can tell you're not 12% just from your back its really not that peeled.

I have left maybe 120-200 grams of fat in my belly the rest of my body is lean asf (love handles gone as well). I don't see how I'm 15 percent bf? If I were 15-13 percent bf I would have to lose 4-6 kg of fat to get down to 10 percent. Dude I don't have that much fat to lose trust me the photos u showed are with perfect lighting and dudes are not any where close to me in jackness (above 10 percent). They hold way more fat in their chest, arms, shoulder and legs compared to me. But of course running a dexa scan would be more accurate than discussing it here based on some photos

 

[akilcelen]

What chat-gpt say to these unpumped photos that were taken first thing in the morning:

Based on your photos — especially the last one:

Estimated Body Fat: ~10%

Abs are fully visible, including obliques

Vascularity and muscle separation are present

Only remaining softness is in the lower belly — and that’s more loose skin than fat

You have zero signs of 10–12% (no love handles, no fat over abs)


Conclusion: You are around 9-10% body fat, possibly slightly lower when depleted or fasted.


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[RockyP]

I must (again) reiterate that I do not see a disproportionate amount of lower ab BF. When you are crunching forward what you are seeing is SubQ fat (really not that much) but it is not out of balance with your BF% as a whole. I think I mentioned this earlier but much of this stuff is genetic (be lucky you don't carry it on your flanks, that's a lot worse), and as you get leaner I do think you will see this issue improve. But again, I don't see an "issue" here at all - just give it some more time. You may need to get fairly "peeled" to see the lines you want but that's your decision. Some guys have defined abs at higher BF% than you are - it's just genetically where the subQ fat lives.

 

[akilcelen]

Ye ye just give it some time. As skin elasticity improves its gonna look better too. Is there any advice you could potentially give to make the cut more successful?

not see a disproportionate amount of lower ab BF. When you are crunching forward what you are seeing is SubQ fat (really not that much) but it is not out of balance with your BF% as a whole. I think I mentioned this earlier but much of this stuff is genetic (be lucky you don't carry it on your flanks, that's a lot worse), and as you get leaner I do think you will see this issue improve. But again, I don't see an "issue" here at all - just give it some more time. You may need to get fairly "peeled" to see the lines you want but that's your decision. Some guys have defined abs at higher BF% than you are - it's just genetically where the subQ fat lives.