It's time we started discussing some conversions...

[bigrobbie]

I've posted this a few places, and I thought I'd post it here also even though we don't discuss "kitchen chemistry" often-[Millard, maybe that would be a good subforum]...

Ok...I took I finaplix-h cart (2 grams of Tren); 1 bottle of methyl alcohol (MA), 1 gallon distilled water, 2 large containers (at least 200ml), funnel, coffee filters (I use micro filter paper in place of coffee filters), one 10ml unsealed vial, one 20ml presealed multi-use vial, a few 18 g needles, some 22-25 g needles to use as "vent needles", 1 (I buy more just to be safe) Whatmanfilter. If I missed some tools, I'm sorry, you'll read about them later in this post...

I take a straightened paperclip and push pellets from plastic cart into one large container. I then add 20ml MA and let sit overnight or until pellets are disolved (cover container).

Fit funnel into 2nd glass container and secure funnel with filter paper lining it. Swirl the slurry and slowly pour contents into your funnel filter. Allow all fluid to drain.

Once drained, take about 5 ml of MA drawn into syringe(s) and squirt in circular motion to push all the white powder into center of funnel, let drain again. The by product in the filter is methyl cellulose (sp?) and you can toss it.

Measure 15 ml of distilled water into a sterile container. You will SLOWLY ADD the distilled water approx 1/2 ml at a time via drips to the solution left from the filter process. Each time you add water you will see slurry begin to turn white. When you see white....STOP, WAIT ABOUT 30 min then do it again. I cannot stress how important it is to be patient with this part....add water SLOWLY!!!! (basskiller also mentioned to me that the cooler the water the better).
Nearing the end of your 15ml of distilled water the slurry should be full of "crystals." Add distilled water until it measures 150ml. At this time you should swirl until slurry turns a white color, then let stand for about an hour.

After time is up, swirl to mix and pour about a quarter of overall slurry at a time through a new funnel and filter into 2nd container. This will take around 3-4 hours on the low side...

Once all is filtered through. You will want to rinse 2-3 more times with distilled water to make sure all the MA is out of your Tren. Rinse using about 5ml of water each time.

Set filter out of funnel flat on a paper plate and let dry overnight. Once dry, scrape crystals from filter onto paper plate and carefully pour into 10ml vial.

If you want to bust out a digital scale you have calabrated to the weight of the vial before and after adding the crystal tren. This will tell you what your conversion % is. If you have. You want at least 1.6-1.8 grams of crystal.

Next, determine what potency you want your tren and measure BA's, BB's and Oils accordingly. Add your solutions (BA, BB and half the oil) to the crystal tren and put into the oven at approx 200 degrees until crystals disolve.

We're almost done! Take your sterile multi-use vial, 18 g needle, "vent needle" and whatman filter and, well filter that shit!

Once done, I leave vent needle in and bake in preheated oven at 250 for 30 min and I'm done! I've done the standard "wet conversion" by simply disolving, filtering and baking (you get the idea) and the crystal method makes a much cleaner, smoother Tren IMO!

Crystal method is the way to go guys!!!

I'll go to my blog and copy my other conversion "step by steps"

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[GetRipped]

Good stuff, wish I had the patience to make it

 

[Bill Roberts]

It can be way easier than this, and involve far less handling.

Add however many carts of pellets to a large clean vial. Add suitable oil, for example from a new bottle of Wesson oil, 38.4 mL per cart. (Each cart nominally containing 2 g of trenbolone acetate.)

It's possible to add the contents of the cart with virtually no handling. I remove the plastic strip, then use it to cover at any given step all rows but two, pour those rows into the vial, and repeat.

Dissolve either with periodic shaking over an extended period of time, or use sonication (an ultrasonic jewelry or gun cleaner, for example) or magnetic stirring. A moderate temperature such as 55 C will greatly aid speed of dissolution but is not absolutely necessary.

When no pellets remain but only "silt," give it a little more dissolution opportunity to be sure, and then let settle.

Clear TA solution, 50 mg/mL, can now be poured off and filtered.

Basically, over time I found simplication after simplification, while not compromising quality of product in the slightest, and this is where I wound up as of a few years ago, and now can't even contemplate going back to harder methods.

This method is suited to using only 50 mg/mL and NOT using BB or BA, at least not prior to filtering. If desired, BA can be added after filtering. A correspondingly smaller volume of oil could be used only if doing the mixing and filtering at least moderately warm, such as 40-55 C.

(There is a binder in Finaplix which is insoluble in straight vegetable oil and therefore will not be taken up into solution when only vegetable oil is used, but unfortunately is soluble in BA and some of it will be taken up if there is a significant BA percentage, such as 2%.)

 

[whitegato777]

When is someone going to make an easy method for making test prop out of syno without buying the myster solution or fugure out what it is?

 

[bigrobbie]

The following is a more simple method, but your yeild isn't as high (final percentage of actual Tren) as when using the crystal method.

You will need the following:

1 carts finaplix-H which equals 2 grams tren.

0.5 ml/BA

2.0 ml/BB

15.5 ml/ Sterile oil (I always use Grapeseed Oil, but walnut or sesame will work too)

2 sterile vials or beakers at least 20ml in volume

1 small funnel and coffee filters or micro filter paper

1- 20 ml sterile sealed multi-use vial

3- 18 guage needles

3- 21 guage needles

3- 10ml syringes

2- .22um or .45um Whatman filters

I use a paperclip that I straighten out and clean with rubbing alcohol (any thin bit of wire will do). Push the pellets from the cart into your 1st sterile container.

Add your BA and BB, seal and let stand for 12 -24 hours. Swirl the mixture every 30 min. Add 14 ml sterile oil. (You CAN use oil from the grocery store if you cannot get your hands on sterile oil, but I don’t suggest it.) Let stand for approx. 24 more hours or until the pellets are 100% dissolved.

Take 18 guage needle and 10ml syringe. The glues and binders should have settled to the bottom of the vial. Draw up all the “clear” oil standing on top of the crap in the bottom. Transfer into your 2nd sterile container. Place funnel with filter secured in it and dump the "gunk" left in vial let drain for another 12-24 hours.

Now take 2 10ml syringes with an 18 guage needle on each and draw all tren into the syringes. Take your 21 guage needle and insert into rubber stopper of the 20ml multi-use vial. Attach whatman to each full syringe and filter into sealed vial.


Once all is in the multi-use vial you should keep your 21 guage needle inserted (also for venting) and place into the oven set at 220 degrees for 30 min. DO NOT LET THE NEEDLE TOUCH YOUR GEAR OR IT WILL LEAK OUT OF THE NEEDLE!!

These are not the most clear of directions but the following links are the two different methods I’ve combined and pictures are included. Remember, if in any directions you follow, magic solution is listed, that is simply your solvents (BA and BB).

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I want to thank Basskiller for all he does to help educate all of us interested in making our own Tren. While on the site I suggest you look into the Crystal method as well.
I hope is a help to someone interested in making your own Trenbolone Ace from a Finaplix cart

 

[Bill Roberts]

Trenbolone is really heat sensitive. Handled well a TA solution will be a nice canary yellow; degraded it will be brown.

I am no fan of "baking" in the first place but with trenbolone in particular, high temperatures are really not desirable.

It is not that browned trenbolone (the brown material is certainly chemically changed) is unusable, but really why degrade any more of it than necessary.

 

[bigrobbie]

Trenbolone is really heat sensitive. Handled well a TA solution will be a nice canary yellow; degraded it will be brown.

I am no fan of "baking" in the first place but with trenbolone in particular, high temperatures are really not desirable.

It is not that browned trenbolone (the brown material is certainly chemically changed) is unusable, but really why degrade any more of it than necessary.

I know many that don't bake...I bake at 250 for approx 30 min and I never have never had it oxodize, or notice any loss in overall results gained from baked gear....

I do agree it's a subject that is debated though. I'd rather be safe though.

 

[MR10X]

It can be way easier than this, and involve far less handling.

Add however many carts of pellets to a large clean vial. Add suitable oil, for example from a new bottle of Wesson oil, 38.4 mL per cart. (Each cart nominally containing 2 g of trenbolone acetate.)

It's possible to add the contents of the cart with virtually no handling. I remove the plastic strip, then use it to cover at any given step all rows but two, pour those rows into the vial, and repeat.

Dissolve either with periodic shaking over an extended period of time, or use sonication (an ultrasonic jewelry or gun cleaner, for example) or magnetic stirring. A moderate temperature such as 55 C will greatly aid speed of dissolution but is not absolutely necessary.

When no pellets remain but only "silt," give it a little more dissolution opportunity to be sure, and then let settle.

Clear TA solution, 50 mg/mL, can now be poured off and filtered.

Basically, over time I found simplication after simplification, while not compromising quality of product in the slightest, and this is where I wound up as of a few years ago, and now can't even contemplate going back to harder methods.

This method is suited to using only 50 mg/mL and NOT using BB or BA, at least not prior to filtering. If desired, BA can be added after filtering. A correspondingly smaller volume of oil could be used only if doing the mixing and filtering at least moderately warm, such as 40-55 C.

(There is a binder in Finaplix which is insoluble in straight vegetable oil and therefore will not be taken up into solution when only vegetable oil is used, but unfortunately is soluble in BA and some of it will be taken up if there is a significant BA percentage, such as 2%.)

I treid this method and the pellets would not disolve even after letting it sit and ocasionaly shaking it for a week,even stirring or shaking would not get them to disolve.I used new wesson oil. I did one batch and tried crushing the pellets first and then adding my BA and BB with 2mil of grape seed oil and third batch was darker than all the other batches i made. all my batches have been light yellow with my BA/BB and 2mil of oil and i dont bake any of my solutions.I add 16mil of oil after the pellets disolve and let it st for a long time untill the fillers settle to the bottom and then filter off the liquid from the top of the mixture and filter it through a 2nm filter,i can get by with using one filter flushing it with 2mil of oil.I end up with about 19 mil of tren,some is lost in the filter and in the disolved solution that remained after sitting.I let the dissolved solution sit for a long time after drawing off all the liqiud i could and there was still some setting of the binders and maby 1/2 to 1mil of liquid at the top. I have done 3 cycles with this had no issues at all.All my soluions are very clear with a slight yellow tint to it. ,except the one batch i crushed first.

 

[Bill Roberts]

It is best to crush the pellets; the disadvantage is more opportunity to introduce contamination (particularly by breath going into the vial, which is easy to to unless being conscious to avoid it during the crushing operation.)

It does take very many shakings. If fundamentally one isn't in a position for many hours of the day to give it a quick periodic shaking, then a method will be needed to assist dissolution.

It is much better to employ sonication or magnetic stirring, at which point it is then easy.

As to being browner than ever before, where the pellets very very light colored to start with, or not so light?

 

[bigrobbie]

I have become a fan of crushing pellets since I wrote that.

 

[Bill Roberts]

I have become a fan of crushing pellets since I wrote that.

I nearly always used to do it; dropped it after employing magnetic stirring or sonication.

 

[MR10X]

It is best to crush the pellets; the disadvantage is more opportunity to introduce contamination (particularly by breath going into the vial, which is easy to to unless being conscious to avoid it during the crushing operation.)

It does take very many shakings. If fundamentally one isn't in a position for many hours of the day to give it a quick periodic shaking, then a method will be needed to assist dissolution.

It is much better to employ sonication or magnetic stirring, at which point it is then easy.

As to being browner than ever before, where the pellets very very light colored to start with, or not so light?

I have done probably 10 cartriges and they were all the same color,although this is the first time i did 2 cartriges at the same time. and i did use 10mil per cartrige so i wouldnt have to use 11/2or 2 mil each time i inject it. my last cycle i did 1mil test e,i mil Eq,and 11/2 mil tren every three days. This time i will be doing EOD injetions using tren and test sustanon,no EQ.

 

[Bill Roberts]

10 mL per cartridge is 10 mL per 2 grams, which would be 200 mg/mL. (Or nearly that, as I'm neglecting volume of dissolved TA but this doesn't much change the picture.)

Which indeed won't dissolve.

 

[MR10X]

10 mL per cartridge is 10 mL per 2 grams, which would be 200 mg/mL. (Or nearly that, as I'm neglecting volume of dissolved TA but this doesn't much change the picture.)

Which indeed won't dissolve.

I didnt try to disolve 2 cartriges in the weson oil,only 1 cartrige.2 cartriges disolved fine in .6mil BA and 3.4mil BB with 2 mil grapeseed oil,but they were crushed.

 

[Bill Roberts]

My misinterpretation: you did say "per cartridge."

 

[Melarkin]

what does "crash" mean in terms of brewing and how can I avoid it?

 

[Bill Roberts]

A given vehicle has only a particular amount of solubility at room temperature of a particular steroid.

By vehicle, I mean the non-steroid part of the preparation. This might be vegetable oil only, ethyl oleate only, or either of these mixed with benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, or both of these in some particular ratio.

If someone tries adding more steroid than the solubility -- the amount that is the most that is stable in the vehicle -- then sooner or later the excess will "crash" out, forming crystals.

If the excess is very small, then only a very small amount of crystals will form.

If the excess is substantial, then the amount of crystals may appear to the eye to be very great.

In fact, the vehicle will still be holding the full amount of steroid that it is actually capable of holding at room temperature.

The reason there can be a time gap is this: If more steroid is dissolved with the aid of heat than can actually be held at room temperature, then on cooling to room temperature the molecules have to "find" the right crystal structure if there is no microcrystal remaining present. They have to collide and stick together in a rather exact way. This may take hours, days, or sometimes even weeks. But once the first microcrystal (or "seed") forms, that's all she wrote: the excess steroid rapidly goes to crystal form.

For example, you can dissolve trenbolone acetate into vegetable oil at 50 mg/mL. Try for 55, and the excess 5 mg/mL will crystallize out sooner or later.

If you use vegetable oil, 20% BB, and 2% BA, you can get 100 mg/mL. I don't know that this is the exact limit of solubility, but certainly much beyond this, and the excess will crystallize out -- crash -- sooner or later.

 

[Melarkin]

Mr Roberts is there a big difference using a .22 filter versus a .45?

 

[Bill Roberts]

There are bacteria -- I don't mean there are bacteria in your preparation, but in nature -- that are smaller than .45 microns but larger than 0.22 microns. But for example staphylococcus species are larger than 0.45 microns.

Whether this is relevant to preparation, I don't know. I've used 0.45 microns many times, and many others have, and with clean handling in this first place problems haven't resulted that I know of.

Still, the 0.22 is the more conservative choice.

 

[bigrobbie]

Thanks Bill, that was a good question and you gave a great answer.

On another note, I've started using micro-filter paper instead of a coffee filter...Is this a good idea, bad idea, or six of one/half dozen of the other?