Is it ideal to bulk while on Reta

[white-boyka]

Because I have absolutely no problem with hunger, etc., and insulin sensitivity during cutting is already extremely high, and inflammation is lower because you don't have excess calories and the associated bloating that causes increased inflammation. You're not accumulating fat, you're losing it, so your lipids and kidneys are less stressed. However, during surplus, all the above-mentioned issues are exposed to deterioration, so using RETA during this period makes much more sense to me.

 

[Anonymous member 154437]

Many people bulk on Reta

 

[Chrispy62]

Would there by an ideal cruising Reta dose for a bulk? I’ve seen people to grate up to crazy amount for a cut so wondering if there’s an upper limit to Reta on a bulk, ultimately being the inability to eat I guess?

 

[thestruggle]

I wonder how its glucagon agonism affects muscle synthesis when on a high protein surplus.

I can imagine a high protein diet could offset a bit of catabolism and reduction of amino acids in the system, but depending on the dosing, it should be harder to really push anabolism.

 

[Chrispy62]

I just started reta for a cut and from everything I’ve read, the insulin sensitivity seems good to have on a bulk so when I ramp down my dose, I’m going to keep it at 1 or 2 mb a week during my next bulk. Will probably post on here for how it goes

 

[BP_6]

You can bulk on just about anything. Food is the bulk. If you can get in sufficient calories and nutrients, you can bulk.

 

[thestruggle]

I pin 1mg eod, and boy, I eat 4kcal a day. Early on the effects were tangible, I would feel I can't eat anymore, but it's gone.

I find that it still has a clear fat loss effect. Feels like my energy expenditure is higher.

Tirzepatide has a stronger appetite suppression for me, even at low doses of 0.75 mg e4d.

 

[IceIcebaby22]

I pin 1mg eod, and boy, I eat 4kcal a day. Early on the effects were tangible, I would feel I can't eat anymore, but it's gone.

I find that it still has a clear fat loss effect. Feels like my energy expenditure is higher.

Tirzepatide has a stronger appetite suppression for me, even at low doses of 0.75 mg e4d.

What's the purpose of adding it to a bulk if you don't mind me asking.
What are you trying to get out of it, on 4k calories and what other compounds are you running?

I am running test only at 350mg for slow "clean" muscle gain but at the same time trying to reduce body fat. Reta has me interested.

 

[FuriousAngus]

I'm currently bulking on 4800 calories/4mg Reta.

 

[thestruggle]

What's the purpose of adding it to a bulk if you don't mind me asking.
What are you trying to get out of it, on 4k calories and what other compounds are you running?

I am running test only at 350mg for slow "clean" muscle gain but at the same time trying to reduce body fat. Reta has me interested.

I still lose body fat. I used to eat this much and get chubby in no time.

CGM suggests significantly better insulin sensitivity. I can enjoy a white rice dish without spiking my BG levels to 180. Hardly 140 ever. I no longer feel shit having such a meal. I remain satiated longer, and psychologically I can see beyond food.

I'm not bulking, I'm eating as much as my body desires without stressing about it which lands usually between 3k-4k daily.

Downsides are higher RHR, lower HRV, unoptimal performance during explosive or hiit sessions.

 

[thestruggle]

I'm currently bulking on 4800 calories/4mg Reta.

What the rest of your stack look like?

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

I am on test/deca 400:300 weekly. Reta 5mg q5 day and cagri 1.3mg/week. Up 20lbs water/muscle over 8 weeks. Feel amazing, at a 400 cal surplus. Minimal visible fat gain or change in waist size. Lifts increasing steadily 5-10 lbs weekly on compound lifts. Also on hgh 3iu, KLOW, 5am, and ss31. On my last cut, I did 10mg reta q5days, so my tolerance for glp1s is maybe a little higher than average?

For context- I’m a 35M 6’0”. I started this whole journey about a year ago at a pudgy 215. Cut heavily with tirz then reta down to a trim 175. Now back to a much more muscular 200lbs.

I don’t think I’ll ever stop glp1s at some dose if I can help it. Just look/feel so much better. Just adjust based on macro goals.

 

[thestruggle]

I am on test/deca 400:300 weekly. Reta 5mg q5 day and cagri 1.3mg/week. Up 20lbs water/muscle over 8 weeks. Feel amazing, at a 400 cal surplus. Minimal visible fat gain or change in waist size. Lifts increasing steadily 5-10 lbs weekly on compound lifts. Also on hgh 3iu, KLOW, 5am, and ss31. On my last cut, I did 10mg reta q5days, so my tolerance for glp1s is maybe a little higher than average?

For context- I’m a 35M 6’0”. I started this whole journey about a year ago at a pudgy 215. Cut heavily with tirz then reta down to a trim 175. Now back to a much more muscular 200lbs.

I don’t think I’ll ever stop glp1s at some dose if I can help it. Just look/feel so much better. Just adjust based on macro goals.

Thanks for sharing. How do you find cagri's effects? Essential?

 

[Astartes]

Because I have absolutely no problem with hunger, etc., and insulin sensitivity during cutting is already extremely high, and inflammation is lower because you don't have excess calories and the associated bloating that causes increased inflammation. You're not accumulating fat, you're losing it, so your lipids and kidneys are less stressed. However, during surplus, all the above-mentioned issues are exposed to deterioration, so using RETA during this period makes much more sense to me.

I would suggest that like most things hormone or peptide related… it depends. I have found that most gym goers and indeed many people on this forum understand bulk as a “dirty bulk”.

If however you are more like myself and subscribe to maintaining BF around 10-15%. Keep visceral fat low (3-5%) particularly over age 40, then you subscribe to bulking as “clean bulking”

I stay on low dose Semaglutide year round. Primarily for blood sugar and insulin resistance benefits alongside low dose metformin.

In answer to your question…

Dirty bulk. Almost certainly not. (Better to leverage on a cut) Clean bulk, low dose Ret long term use, almost certainly yes.

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

Thanks for sharing. How do you find cagri's effects? Essential?

Big fan of Cagri with reta. It adds the food noise suppression I got with Tirz but lack with reta.

 

[Biglittlejoe]

What doses of reta and cagri do you use?

 

[Jackedjack8273648]

What doses of reta and cagri do you use?

Bulking rn so 5mg reta q5 days and 1.5mg cagri weekly. When I transition to trt+/ cut I’ll go back to 10mg reta q5days and titrate the cagri til my macros are easy to maintain.

 

[thestruggle]

I can only second that reta alone is not helping with appetite suppression as tirz. With GLP1s I find it significantly helpful to switch and cycle to keep them effective.

A 0.75mg dose of tirz provided me a strong suppression after 1.5 month that I have switched to a reta-only protocol.