insulin fear mongering

[runway]

Would you say the dangers of insulin are overblown? How dangerous is it taking 10-20 iu of long acting insulin like Lantus per day really? If you don't forget to eat and check your blood glucose daily?

I wonder why insulin is not more popular around here, there are people blasting grams of 5 different steroids at the same time but insulin gets kinda demonized or is not even talked about.

 

[Trenlord]

Run it if your carbs are over 400g
Start with 10iu Am titrate up as you increase carbs
Solid synergistic effect with GH

 

[PaintDrinker]

Insulin is extremely safe and effective if you have the basic ability to think. If you don’t have the basic ability to think, you shouldn’t be self administering anything besides maybe food. Basal insulin is great if your bg fasted is above 90-95. If you monitor your bg there shouldn’t be a single issue running a protocol like this. If your pushing the carbs hard novorapid or on a budget Novalin N

 

[PaintDrinker]

I never understood how guys will run 2-5g gear cycles, but are scared of human insulin. You can cut your gear dose in half and in most cases get a similar result, let’s not forget that insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body.

 

[nightprowler7]

I disagree that its "very safe" like the user above suggests. But if you aren't retarded it's hard to die from it.

Monitor bg and start low (like 3iu) and see how you respond for awhile. I respond very well to insulin so I can't use much of it, I need 20g of carbs per iu or I go hypno and get sweaty and shaky. Could be dangerous driving if you just start insulin so start low and start at home.

Use insulin to meet your current carb intake, not the other way around. And you won't get fat

 

[PaintDrinker]

I disagree that its "very safe" like the user above suggests. But if you aren't retarded it's hard to die from it.

Monitor bg and start low (like 3iu) and see how you respond for awhile. I respond very well to insulin so I can't use much of it, I need 20g of carbs per iu or I go hypno and get sweaty and shaky. Could be dangerous driving if you just start insulin so start low and start at home.

Use insulin to meet your current carb intake, not the other way around. And you won't get fat

Very safe IF you have the basic ability to think lol

 

[runway]

How do you check your blood glucose? Are test strips once daily good enough? The second option is tempting, but its 65€ for a 14 day sensor, so about 130€ per month... not sure if it would be overkill for a 2 month lowdose insulin cycle.

 

[PaintDrinker]

the most important is checking your fasted glucose first thing in the morning. Typically 30 minutes after waking up you would test, make sure to be hydrated.

Depending on how far you want to go… I test after every meal during a blast, but during a healthy phase 2-3 times a day. It’s a great way to learn your body, and too see how certain foods affect your numbers.

 

[AlexDavis43]

If your pushing the carbs hard novorapid or on a budget Novalin N

Novalin N administered IM comes close to subq novorapid.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I disagree that its "very safe" like the user above suggests. But if you aren't retarded it's hard to die from it.

Monitor bg and start low (like 3iu) and see how you respond for awhile. I respond very well to insulin so I can't use much of it, I need 20g of carbs per iu or I go hypno and get sweaty and shaky. Could be dangerous driving if you just start insulin so start low and start at home.

Use insulin to meet your current carb intake, not the other way around. And you won't get fat

You may need fewer carbs per IU of insulin if you're on GH, doing intense exercise, etc., etc.

The old mantra 10 grams of carb per IU insulin obviously isn't true for you, and I do fine on half that (or less). Many factors.

 

[Toaster]

If your aunt Debbie and millions of others use insulin it's probably pretty safe for the average IQ individual.

After spending some time here you'll realize that some of the people posting here make your aunt Debbie look like Albert Einstein. So I can see where some of them run into issues.

 

[Demondosage]

First off, most great physiques can be attained without insulin, guys nowhere near that max potential with nutrition and gear are using insulin and it’s retarded. Secondly, fucking with your blood glucose isn’t even in the same universe as just messing with hormones. I’m an insulin dependent diabetic and it’s no fucking game. Something like berberine or metformin to help shuttle carbs is fine, but insulin is playing with fire. You forget that the dangers aren’t just going hypo and unconscious, it’s what it can potentially do long term to normal glucose levels. Just my .02

 

[AlexDavis43]

First off, most great physiques can be attained without insulin, guys nowhere near that max potential with nutrition and gear are using insulin and it’s retarded. Secondly, fucking with your blood glucose isn’t even in the same universe as just messing with hormones. I’m an insulin dependent diabetic and it’s no fucking game. Something like berberine or metformin to help shuttle carbs is fine, but insulin is playing with fire. You forget that the dangers aren’t just going hypo and unconscious, it’s what it can potentially do long term to normal glucose levels. Just my .02

Not to mention hypoglycemia unawareness. Sweating bullets and shaky hands are a great sign that you're hypoglycemic until it's happened so many times that you don't get sweaty and shaky anymore.

Neuroglycopenia (brain damage) still happens.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Insulin mantra among bodybuilders in the '90's: "enough insulin to push hypo"

*worded oddly but meant enough insulin to get blood sugar down 20 points but no further. Meal timing was a big factor.

Ideal would've been the minimal amount of carbs to keep blood glucose flat after preworkout insulin + mixed meal.

 

[Bumpygooch]

Novalin N administered IM comes close to subq novorapid.

N is the intermediate, I believe you mean R, sir

 

[PaintDrinker]

You may need fewer carbs per IU of insulin if you're on GH, doing intense exercise, etc., etc.

The old mantra 10 grams of carb per IU insulin obviously isn't true for you, and I do fine on half that (or less). Many factors.

For bodybuilding purposes I think 20 grams per IU is completely fine. Obviously user dependent

 

[runway]

Is there something wrong with using only long acting insulin like lantus? Or are the faster acting ones only more popular because they are OTC in some countries?

 

[Demondosage]

Not to mention hypoglycemia unawareness. Sweating bullets and shaky hands are a great sign that you're hypoglycemic until it's happened so many times that you don't get sweaty and shaky anymore.

Neuroglycopenia (brain damage) still happens.

X2!! Yes, exactly, the body’s fight or flight response shuts off when hypo episodes become more common

 

[runway]

It’s a great way to learn your body, and too see how certain foods affect your numbers.

I guess i will just get at least one 14 day sensor to monitor my bg 24/7 to get a feel for it and see if it works with my diet and then go with test strips.

 

[PaintDrinker]

Is there something wrong with using only long acting insulin like lantus? Or are the faster acting ones only more popular because they are OTC in some countries?

It all depends on the goal. Basal insulin is better towards the middle/end of a bulk if you become insulin resistant. Rapid insulin is better when you become so big that your food requirements are insanely high. It allows you to eat more.