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I would like to know what those of you who support trump will do when he loses the election?

Skard said:
Who stoked the division? Donald Trump? NO... The media can take full credit for that.
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The flames of division were fanned under Obama. Turns out when he calls America racist and evil and a bad place and needs to be fundamentally changed people dont like that. Go figure. Alot of us love our damn country and reject his progressive views and it didnt have a damn thing to do with race or racism
 
flenser said:
I don't like Trump because he was all talk, but I liked much of what he said and claimed to represent.
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When i voted for him the 1st time i kept the paper ticket in my wallet because if he didnt do what he said he was gonna do i was gonna burn it. It was an apprehensive vote. Now 4 yrs later i like him most because of his action not necessarily his words. If this comes to pass he will be the most successful one term president in our nations history.
flenser said:
he put the US first in the context of the executive office.
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100% on board. His policies were all America and they are excellent policies. His detractors would be wise to study and understand this. It is irrefutable.
 
It will never happen. Trump doesn't have the balls. But it would cool to see him try. Mr. Biorseth is not wrong, though.

Open Letter to President Trump Recommending Election Nullification.​


Establishing By Precedent the Principle of Presidential Review of Constitutional Issues, such as Fraudulent Elections to Constitutional Offices.​


Dear Mr. President:

Reestablishing the integrity of the American electoral process is critically necessary for the continued existence of our Constitutional Republic.

If state governments, the US Congress and the US Supreme Court fail to act to overrule the corrupted and defrauded election results in several if not all American states, then it falls on you to act in your capacity as the chief law enforcement officer in the American government to do so.

In adjudicating the 1807 Marbury v Madison case the Supreme Court established the principle of Judiciary Review, quite properly declaring a legislated law to be unconstitutional, null and no law.

The Presidency and the Congress have precisely the same power to nullify anything that is unconstitutional. The fact that they have never done it yet does not mean that they cannot do it.

The Constitution nowhere grants any of the three coequal branches of government any interpretive authority over itself that is in any way superior to the interpretive authority of the other two branches.

The Congress legislates law, the Presidency enforces law and the Judiciary adjudicates law; all must know the Constitution in order to do their jobs. All are solemnly sworn in their very oaths of office to uphold and govern within the Constitution.

You, Mr. President, are sworn to defend it. It is under attack, by fraud.

Any time before a fraudulently elected candidate is inaugurated, while you are still President, if the state governments, the Congress and the Supreme Court have failed to overturn this fraudulent election, then, you must overturn it, and let the fur begin to fly.

You can nullify it by simply declaring it to be unconstitutional, null and void, thereby establishing a new Constitutional Principle of Presidential Review.

You can and should demand that Congress set a new date for a new election, requiring only paper and pencil ballots, only absentee ballots allowed, and with a one-day voting restriction.

You must do this, Mr. President, for the preservation of the Republic.

Respectfully submitted by your humble servant,

Lyman Victor Biorseth
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
When i voted for him the 1st time i kept the paper ticket in my wallet because if he didnt do what he said he was gonna do i was gonna burn it. It was an apprehensive vote. Now 4 yrs later i like him most because of his action not necessarily his words. If this comes to pass he will be the most successful one term president in our nations history.

100% on board. His policies were all America and they are excellent policies. His detractors would be wise to study and understand this. It is irrefutable.
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So Trump lost my respect pretty early on when he started dropping bombs on Syria, killing civilians, over what was clearly, and obviously so, fraudulent claims of a chemical weapons attack. That alone made him a mass murderer in my eyes, never mind his overt support for the Saudi slaughter going on in Yemen. He got into office under the pretense of draining the swamp, then loaded his cabinet with swamp creatures and did exactly what they wanted him to do.

But that's not why I say he's all talk. Mass censorship, lockdowns and violent communist demonstrations all over the country are definitely NOT American culture or American policy. Trump tweeted, Twitter censored and the country was turned upside down. Trump did nothing significant to deter any of it.

It's not that Trump was a really bad president. But this was a time when we needed a strong president, an exceptional president, and given the 2016 election one could be forgiven for expecting an exceptional president. Trump had options, real options. But he needed the support of his cabinet to back his play, which he had no hope of getting because he appointed enemies of the people as his closest advisors. He also needed friends in Congress of which he made precious few.

An exceptional president would have had that backing, those friends and more. We all knew we were fighting for the soul of the republic. Hell, Trump ran on that ideal. I'm pretty sure he said exactly that in one of his speeches. But he was weak, or ran afoul of his ego, or ... something. He definitely was not the strong president we needed.

What were his options? Trump, by himself, represents a branch of the federal government. He has the power and authority to interpret the US Constitution and act on that interpretation, the same as Congress and more than SCOTUS. An executive order is an interpretation by the president of the law applied as to the Constitution. That is backed by a presidential finding which is an interpretation of the Constitution by the president as applied to existing circumstances.

He has the power, even now, to find that censorship by large social media companies represent a direct infringement on the First Amendment and to then to order they stop doing so, and to shut them down if they refuse to comply. He should have done this in 2017, long before he dropped the first bomb on Syria.

He has the power to find that violent communist uprisings in democrat strongholds are a threat to national security, and shut them down when the states refuse to do so. He also has the power, as Obama found, to declare any person, US citizen or not, an enemy of the state and order them arrested or killed. Good bye George Soros.

He has the power to find that lockdowns violate the rights of the People as well as the Constitution. He may not have the power to block them, but he could have made things very difficult for the various state governors. Instead he gave Fauci free rein to say whatever he wanted to the media regardless of Trump's tweets, and did absolutely nothing against the governors wreaking havoc on their citizens, their rights and their lively hoods.

He would have been impeached for any of these orders, no doubt. But if he had surrounded himself with patriots instead of swamp creatures, he could have weathered the storm. Now it's too late for anything but theatrics.
 

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated”​

 
Skard said:

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated”​

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We can only hope the oligarchs surrender as expeditiously as did King George.
 
flenser said:
So Trump lost my respect pretty early on when he started dropping bombs on Syria, killing civilians, over what was clearly, and obviously so, fraudulent claims of a chemical weapons attack. That alone made him a mass murderer in my eyes, never mind his overt support for the Saudi slaughter going on in Yemen. He got into office under the pretense of draining the swamp, then loaded his cabinet with swamp creatures and did exactly what they wanted him to do.

But that's not why I say he's all talk. Mass censorship, lockdowns and violent communist demonstrations all over the country are definitely NOT American culture or American policy. Trump tweeted, Twitter censored and the country was turned upside down. Trump did nothing significant to deter any of it.

It's not that Trump was a really bad president. But this was a time when we needed a strong president, an exceptional president, and given the 2016 election one could be forgiven for expecting an exceptional president. Trump had options, real options. But he needed the support of his cabinet to back his play, which he had no hope of getting because he appointed enemies of the people as his closest advisors. He also needed friends in Congress of which he made precious few.

An exceptional president would have had that backing, those friends and more. We all knew we were fighting for the soul of the republic. Hell, Trump ran on that ideal. I'm pretty sure he said exactly that in one of his speeches. But he was weak, or ran afoul of his ego, or ... something. He definitely was not the strong president we needed.

What were his options? Trump, by himself, represents a branch of the federal government. He has the power and authority to interpret the US Constitution and act on that interpretation, the same as Congress and more than SCOTUS. An executive order is an interpretation by the president of the law applied as to the Constitution. That is backed by a presidential finding which is an interpretation of the Constitution by the president as applied to existing circumstances.

He has the power, even now, to find that censorship by large social media companies represent a direct infringement on the First Amendment and to then to order they stop doing so, and to shut them down if they refuse to comply. He should have done this in 2017, long before he dropped the first bomb on Syria.

He has the power to find that violent communist uprisings in democrat strongholds are a threat to national security, and shut them down when the states refuse to do so. He also has the power, as Obama found, to declare any person, US citizen or not, an enemy of the state and order them arrested or killed. Good bye George Soros.

He has the power to find that lockdowns violate the rights of the People as well as the Constitution. He may not have the power to block them, but he could have made things very difficult for the various state governors. Instead he gave Fauci free rein to say whatever he wanted to the media regardless of Trump's tweets, and did absolutely nothing against the governors wreaking havoc on their citizens, their rights and their lively hoods.

He would have been impeached for any of these orders, no doubt. But if he had surrounded himself with patriots instead of swamp creatures, he could have weathered the storm. Now it's too late for anything but theatrics.
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Spot-on take.
 
flenser said:
So Trump lost my respect pretty early on when he started dropping bombs on Syria, killing civilians, over what was clearly, and obviously so, fraudulent claims of a chemical weapons attack. That alone made him a mass murderer in my eyes, never mind his overt support for the Saudi slaughter going on in Yemen. He got into office under the pretense of draining the swamp, then loaded his cabinet with swamp creatures and did exactly what they wanted him to do.

But that's not why I say he's all talk. Mass censorship, lockdowns and violent communist demonstrations all over the country are definitely NOT American culture or American policy. Trump tweeted, Twitter censored and the country was turned upside down. Trump did nothing significant to deter any of it.

It's not that Trump was a really bad president. But this was a time when we needed a strong president, an exceptional president, and given the 2016 election one could be forgiven for expecting an exceptional president. Trump had options, real options. But he needed the support of his cabinet to back his play, which he had no hope of getting because he appointed enemies of the people as his closest advisors. He also needed friends in Congress of which he made precious few.

An exceptional president would have had that backing, those friends and more. We all knew we were fighting for the soul of the republic. Hell, Trump ran on that ideal. I'm pretty sure he said exactly that in one of his speeches. But he was weak, or ran afoul of his ego, or ... something. He definitely was not the strong president we needed.

What were his options? Trump, by himself, represents a branch of the federal government. He has the power and authority to interpret the US Constitution and act on that interpretation, the same as Congress and more than SCOTUS. An executive order is an interpretation by the president of the law applied as to the Constitution. That is backed by a presidential finding which is an interpretation of the Constitution by the president as applied to existing circumstances.

He has the power, even now, to find that censorship by large social media companies represent a direct infringement on the First Amendment and to then to order they stop doing so, and to shut them down if they refuse to comply. He should have done this in 2017, long before he dropped the first bomb on Syria.

He has the power to find that violent communist uprisings in democrat strongholds are a threat to national security, and shut them down when the states refuse to do so. He also has the power, as Obama found, to declare any person, US citizen or not, an enemy of the state and order them arrested or killed. Good bye George Soros.

He has the power to find that lockdowns violate the rights of the People as well as the Constitution. He may not have the power to block them, but he could have made things very difficult for the various state governors. Instead he gave Fauci free rein to say whatever he wanted to the media regardless of Trump's tweets, and did absolutely nothing against the governors wreaking havoc on their citizens, their rights and their lively hoods.

He would have been impeached for any of these orders, no doubt. But if he had surrounded himself with patriots instead of swamp creatures, he could have weathered the storm. Now it's too late for anything but theatrics.
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I appreciate that. Gives me a little different perspective to consider. I disagree on the Syrian threat whole heartedly tho. After 8 yrs of Obama telling Al Assad to stop heading in the direction they were in and "dont cross that line otherwise their would be consequences" then repeatedly crossing that damn line and rubbing it in our faces Obama did nothing but look weak. Attacking Assad's military progressions under Trump was a clear message the winds have shifted and a new stronger sheriff was in town. Assad is a pc of shit and killed his own ppl among many other human rights violations. I agree on the cabinet choices tho. Trump faced covid and the largest depression in American history towards the end. Without covid i believe he woulda wiped the floor with bidens skin as a birthday suit.
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
I disagree on the Syrian threat whole heartedly tho. After 8 yrs of Obama telling Al Assad to stop heading in the direction they were in and "dont cross that line otherwise their would be consequences" then repeatedly crossing that damn line and rubbing it in our faces Obama did nothing but look weak. Attacking Assad's military progressions under Trump was a clear message the winds have shifted and a new stronger sheriff was in town. Assad is a pc of shit and killed his own ppl among many other human rights violations.
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And now Syria is a complete shit-hole.

Trump pulled US troops out and basically left his former allies in Syria as well as the Kurds to the wolves after they helped in the fight against ISIS. Turkey moved in to the region essentially with Trump's permission and proceeded to destabilize the region even further.

Now, former US allies have allied with the Assad government, Iranians and Russians in order to protect themselves from the Turks who, predictably, went in and started slaughtering them...

Trump cocked that situation up pretty terribly, I'd say.
 
The problem is America went into a part of the world they knew nothing about.

You can't reason with the Middle East, you either bomb the shit out of them or you leave, there is no debate over coffee, it's kill everyone or get out.

Trump's handling of the Middle East was a lot better than Obama which was a horror show a long drawn out misery. It would have been better to nuke the entire region and put these poor bastards out of their misery quick.

Now you've got millions in camps, kids growing up without parents, no education and so the shitshow will continue.

Simple solution was to ban all Muslims from immigrating to the States for the next 100 years. I disagree that Communism is a risk to the US, I see Islam as far worse. Stalin tore down 2300 mosques in Russia and put their Imams to death. China doesn't play around with Islam either as they see them as a true threat, they've been tearing down mosques as well. Our light handed approach of welcoming Islam is bullshit, as an atheist I despise politicians on the left that kiss Islam ass.
 
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Test_Subject said:
And now Syria is a complete shit-hole.

Trump pulled US troops out and basically left his former allies in Syria as well as the Kurds to the wolves after they helped in the fight against ISIS. Turkey moved in to the region essentially with Trump's permission and proceeded to destabilize the region even further.

Now, former US allies have allied with the Assad government, Iranians and Russians in order to protect themselves from the Turks who, predictably, went in and started slaughtering them...

Trump cocked that situation up pretty terribly, I'd say.
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It's complicated and beyond our understanding having sat down to talk to some Turks, as I championed the Kurds as well and see them as freedom fighters.

The problem with the Kurds is that they are always fighting someone for territory. Eventually you have to stop fighting and start working with other people or everyone hates you and the Kurds are hated, almost universally. So there has to be a reason for this.

If Trump would have championed the Kurds, where would it have stopped, the Kurds are fighters, they don't seem to know much else.
 
Test_Subject said:
And now Syria is a complete shit-hole.

Trump pulled US troops out and basically left his former allies in Syria as well as the Kurds to the wolves after they helped in the fight against ISIS. Turkey moved in to the region essentially with Trump's permission and proceeded to destabilize the region even further.

Now, former US allies have allied with the Assad government, Iranians and Russians in order to protect themselves from the Turks who, predictably, went in and started slaughtering them...

Trump cocked that situation up pretty terribly, I'd say.
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He brought favorable trade to UAE and Israel who have been at war for over a thousand years. Some times economic consequences far out weigh military ones. That is a big dick move:cool:
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
I appreciate that. Gives me a little different perspective to consider. I disagree on the Syrian threat whole heartedly tho. After 8 yrs of Obama telling Al Assad to stop heading in the direction they were in and "dont cross that line otherwise their would be consequences" then repeatedly crossing that damn line and rubbing it in our faces Obama did nothing but look weak. Attacking Assad's military progressions under Trump was a clear message the winds have shifted and a new stronger sheriff was in town. Assad is a pc of shit and killed his own ppl among many other human rights violations. I agree on the cabinet choices tho. Trump faced covid and the largest depression in American history towards the end. Without covid i believe he woulda wiped the floor with bidens skin as a birthday suit.
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On Syria and other ME wars, Trump and Obama ran on pretty much the same promise. That is, they both promised to end those wars and get the fuck out. Trump has a marginally better record of that than Obama. Trump's policies didn't intentionally create a whole new brand of killer for us to fight. He also didn't let his head of state turn an entire country into a slave nation to stroke her ego.

But neither got out, both continued trying to influence those governments, and both got a ton of people killed on both sides. It was a straight forward promise both of them made. they both used the same logic of we shouldn't be there, never should have gone in and the longer we stay the worse things will be for everyone. Then they got into office and held fast.

I blame Trump far more for this, though. Much of his early statements and writings, before he ran for president, convinced me he really meant those promises and had the morals and balls to keep them.
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
He brought favorable trade to UAE and Israel who have been at war for over a thousand years. Some times economic consequences far out weigh military ones. That is a big dick move:cool:
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I doubt that the hundreds of thousands of people who have died in Syria and millions more who have been displaced from their homes would see that as a win.

That's not entirely Trump's fault, but he contributed to it in a big way.

And Israel has only existed since 1948. That area has been ruled by various nations of various religions for a long time. To say that the UAE and Israel have been at war for thousands of years is kind of silly.
 
Test_Subject said:
I doubt that the hundreds of thousands of people who have died in Syria and millions more who have been displaced from their homes would see that as a win.

That's not entirely Trump's fault, but he contributed to it in a big way.

And Israel has only existed since 1948. That area has been ruled by various nations of various religions for a long time. To say that the UAE and Israel have been at war for thousands of years is kind of silly.
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Now im thoroughly confused. Israel has been at war with everyone surrounding their biblical city since they were slaves to the pharaohs of egypt clean on till present day. They are the most practiced at violence of action. Their entire culture as small as it is is trained from puberty male or female service to Israel as a requirement for their right to exist as a people. This is pretty well documented
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Now im thoroughly confused. Israel has been at war with everyone surrounding their biblical city since they were slaves to the pharaohs of egypt clean on till present day. They are the most practiced at violence of action. Their entire culture as small as it is is trained from puberty male or female service to Israel as a requirement for their right to exist as a people. This is pretty well documented
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There's no evidence that the bible stories are true.

No evidence that jews were ever slaves in egypt.

No evidence they took the so called promise land in the book of Joshua and if they did it was only held for a very short time.

The Jews of that region were easy pickings, far from warriors, they were primitive and behind the rest of their neighbors as far as technology.

The Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Romans all kicked the ass of the Jews.

And even today the Jews would be laid to waste if it wasn't for big brother USofA giving them $4 billion every single year and promising to defend them by feeding our own boys into the meat grinder so they can go around fucking with their neighbors, smacking them with a stick and calling us into finish the fight for them.
 
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