How this simple cycle look?

[Haggard]

Wks 1-12 1250mg/wk IP sust.
wks 1-5 50mg/day Dbol
Wks 10-14 75mg/day Winstrol..

I will be shooting the Sust. on Mon. Tue., Wed., Thu., and Fri., 250mg each of those day. Of course all of my anti-e's and recovery is on hand.
This will be my fourth cycle. My stats are 6'3" about 210. Im torn between Sust. and Enanthate.....Im basically lookin to get huge, im not worried about body fat, as i don't have very much. Hows this look?

Haggard

 

[Willi]

Wks 1-12 1250mg/wk IP sust.
wks 1-5 50mg/day Dbol
Wks 10-14 75mg/day Winstrol..

I will be shooting the Sust. on Mon. Tue., Wed., Thu., and Fri., 250mg each of those day. Of course all of my anti-e's and recovery is on hand.
This will be my fourth cycle. My stats are 6'3" about 210. Im torn between Sust. and Enanthate.....Im basically lookin to get huge, im not worried about body fat, as i don't have very much. Hows this look?

Haggard

I cannot see the advantage of going so heavy on the sust, where as a max of 1 gram a week will be more than enough. And shooting it ed during the week will just turn your butt into a pincushion. The sust could be shot 2X per week IMO. I'm also surprised at the number of people who think 50mg dbol per day is necessary, whereas 30-40mg ed (spaced out throughout the day), will be just as effective.
The winny looks ok. In order for the winny to bring the results you're seeking, you'll have to modify your diet at around week 10 as well, otherwise, you can save your money on the winny, and consider running a second cycle after a break, using prop, winny, eq and fina type products.

 

[phildogg]

I cannot see the advantage of going so heavy on the sust, where as a max of 1 gram a week will be more than enough. And shooting it ed during the week will just turn your butt into a pincushion. The sust could be shot 2X per week IMO. I'm also surprised at the number of people who think 50mg dbol per day is necessary, whereas 30-40mg ed (spaced out throughout the day), will be just as effective.
The winny looks ok. In order for the winny to bring the results you're seeking, you'll have to modify your diet at around week 10 as well, otherwise, you can save your money on the winny, and consider running a second cycle after a break, using prop, winny, eq and fina type products.

well as far as the 2x a week sust I think they should be shot atleast eod to take advantage of the shorter esters,(prop)how many cycles have you done in the past bro?
phil

 

[N4cer]

BUMP for EoD sust at the minimum. Gotta take advantage of that short-estered gear.

 

[Willi]

well as far as the 2x a week sust I think they should be shot atleast eod to take advantage of the shorter esters,(prop)how many cycles have you done in the past bro?
phil

Hey Phil,
I've done 7 or 8 cycles, gottent to the point where you stop counting...am 44 years old and have been lifting for about 15 years now. I just got to the US from Germany. I was an active member of the old UG board, but it's taken me several months to get settled here and find my way back on the boards.

I'll push propis ed, but the sust, 2-3 time a week has always worked for me. But truth be told, I'm more a fan of Ethanate than sust anyway. But different strokes...

_Willi

 

[Haggard]

I cannot see the advantage of going so heavy on the sust, where as a max of 1 gram a week will be more than enough. And shooting it ed during the week will just turn your butt into a pincushion. The sust could be shot 2X per week IMO. I'm also surprised at the number of people who think 50mg dbol per day is necessary, whereas 30-40mg ed (spaced out throughout the day), will be just as effective.
The winny looks ok. In order for the winny to bring the results you're seeking, you'll have to modify your diet at around week 10 as well, otherwise, you can save your money on the winny, and consider running a second cycle after a break, using prop, winny, eq and fina type products.

Willi,
Your correct.....My last cycle consisted of 700mg/wk Test Prop....500mg/wk of EQ.....Dbol at the beginning. I probably could get away with using 750mg/wk of test and still grow.....Im not starting this for a month or two so i was just throwing some ideas.....I just thought i would up the test by 500mg/wk and really grow....Im really rethinking this about the sust or enanthate...I could use 750mg/wk or 1g/wk of enanthate and only have to shoot 2 times per week but ive never used sus before.....The reason why i would use 50mg/day of dbol is because IP tabs come in 50mg.....I guess i could split that up into 3/5's or something but ill just take the easy route.....One half in the morning and other half in evening before my workout.....

Haggard

 

[Grizzly]

I think you need to re-evaluate the rest of your plan. 4th cycle and you're still only 210 at 6'3"? Sounds to me like you're doing something wrong. Hell, you shouldn't even have 1 cycle down yet.

 

[graybass]

simple cycle

I gotta agree with grizzly 6'3" 210. No offence but I weighed that in 9th grade at 5'10" and 14% BF You better check your diet and workout. LIFT BIG,EAT BIG, BE FUCKIN BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SQUAT TILL YOU PUKE!!!!!!! GrayBass

 

[armsports]

I'd run the sust at 1cc eod and save the winny for another cycle. You should be looking at a solid 235 by the end of that cycle bro, provided you are eating and training right. This could be a limiting factor for you, as Grizzly alluded to.

 

[Haggard]

I think you need to re-evaluate the rest of your plan. 4th cycle and you're still only 210 at 6'3"? Sounds to me like you're doing something wrong. Hell, you shouldn't even have 1 cycle down yet.

So you think i could gain just as much if I trained and ate correctly without any AS?

 

[Grizzly]

Most definitely.

 

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

If you have to opprotunity, I would use enanthate instead of sust. You don't need to shoot it as much, your blood levels will be more consistant, and its way cheaper. You should get much better results shooting enanthate twice a week @ 500mgs per shot. The sustanon on the other hand is expensive, needs to be shot at least EOD to keep blood levels consistant, and in the end, its just test; the same as enanthate. The difference is, for bodybuilding, enanthate has a much better time release than sust. Its a proven fact and I garuntee that you will gain better results with shooting enanthate twice a week than sust twice a week. If you go with the sust you have to shoot at least every other day to get the most out of it.

 

[Grizzly]

But why would a guy want to divert from the the "popular" steroids? I mean, certainly a deca/winstrol cycle will yield great results. I mean, those are the only two drugs anyone ahs ever heard of.

 

[0u812]

If you have to opprotunity, I would use enanthate instead of sust. You don't need to shoot it as much, your blood levels will be more consistant, and its way cheaper. You should get much better results shooting enanthate twice a week @ 500mgs per shot. The sustanon on the other hand is expensive, needs to be shot at least EOD to keep blood levels consistant, and in the end, its just test; the same as enanthate. The difference is, for bodybuilding, enanthate has a much better time release than sust. Its a proven fact and I garuntee that you will gain better results with shooting enanthate twice a week than sust twice a week. If you go with the sust you have to shoot at least every other day to get the most out of it.

SUST acts a singal ester in the body..it does not need to be shot EOD to get good results from it....This is the same tired old b.s. that's been floating around forever...Atleast once every couple of months someone posts a study that proves that sustanon acts a single estered testosterone....

When M.D.'s prescribe sustanon for HRT they only shoot it once a week....So if it needs to be E.O.D. to for it to be effective...Then I guess the entire medical industry and the manufacturers of human grade Sustanon are all wrong...and the few guys on this board who advocate EOD are the ones who are right.....

Stop misleading people...I bet if you took a poll nearly half the members here have done sust only cycles and shot only once or twice a week and grew very well!

 

[Grizzly]

Which Drs. use it for HRT? None that I've heard of. They use Enanthate or cyp and it's typicaly shot every other week. Moreover, there are plenty of posts detailing the exact opposite of what you claim.

 

[Phreezer]

Which Drs. use it for HRT? None that I've heard of. They use Enanthate or cyp and it's typicaly shot every other week. Moreover, there are plenty of posts detailing the exact opposite of what you claim.

Really? What other posts?...would you mind pointing them out for me Grizz?

I have read alot of studies that suggest sustanon will act as a single estered testosterone in the body...So if you are aware of any studies that show differantly please point me in that direction..I'd appreciate it!!!

And I've read references indicating that Europeon Dr.'s have used Sustanon in HRT. Allowing patients to administer 250mg Every 10 Days..That may or may not be valid, but I have read that information before.

 

[ThePatriot]

Well I hope you do take the advice of others and train natural but to tell you the truth I dont think you will. Umm lets see to get the results you want you can do it ol natural but I hope you have some patience and dedication. But if you do us AS then yes you are going to grow faster. Just make sure your not abusing it and your training to your max. Dont do it if your workout, diet, and dedication arent in order.

ThePatriot

 

[Haggard]

Well I hope you do take the advice of others and train natural but to tell you the truth I dont think you will. Umm lets see to get the results you want you can do it ol natural but I hope you have some patience and dedication. But if you do us AS then yes you are going to grow faster. Just make sure your not abusing it and your training to your max. Dont do it if your workout, diet, and dedication arent in order.

ThePatriot

Thank you for the advice Patriot...

 

[Starkraven]

Really? What other posts?...would you mind pointing them out for me Grizz?

I have read alot of studies that suggest sustanon will act as a single estered testosterone in the body...So if you are aware of any studies that show differantly please point me in that direction..I'd appreciate it!!!QUOTE]

what studies need to be shown when it is obvious that sust has 4 esters. who said it has 1? prop/suspension/cyp/enth have 1.

 

[Grizzly]

I've got no studies, Phreeze. Rather, I said that I've seen posts. There have been multiples on this board of the years and they all seem to make valid cases for the necessity of frequent sust injects. It may work similar to a single ester, but I don't think it works in a bodybuilding sense. I just seems that with the fast esters, you end up losing too much too quickly, so you have to double up on dosing to have it be equivalent to half as much E or C. Then again, I could be wrong, but that's just how it seems to me.