damn my estrogen is still fucked and never had this happen before

[Liter O' Test]

Im on real ass TRT.
without A.I my estrogen goes up to ~63
using ARAIL liquid Adex solution currently

.12mg adex ED
23 SEP 10.3 estrogen sensitive labcorp

discontinue adex for a few days
then .08mg adex ED for 7 days = OCT 02 14.4 estrogen sensitive labcorp

discontniue adex for a few days then
.04mg adex ED for 7 days
OCT 16 13.5 estrogen sensitive labcorp

im measuring the adex with a .5ml slin pin

I dont see how .28mg adex per week in a high aromatizer like myself is crashing me.

any ideas?

 

[Liter O' Test]

I dont see how going from .08 adex to .04 adex put me at basically the same level.
going to do .02mg per day I guess.
maybe this liquid is inaccurate

 

[Geardad]

I dont see how going from .08 adex to .04 adex put me at basically the same level.
going to do .02mg per day I guess.
maybe this liquid is inaccurate

Are you shaking the shit out of it before drawing it up? Also, do you pin test daily? What was your pinning schedule when e2 was 63?

 

[ANAL_Bolic]

You are using too much AI. And real trt you shouldnt need an AI at all, your dose is too high or your bf is still a little high. When i first started trt all I needed was .0125mg adex once per week to get my e2 in range and once I got leaner I didnt need the AI at all

 

[Liter O' Test]

You are using too much AI. And real trt you shouldnt need an AI at all, your dose is too high or your bf is still a little high. When i first started trt all I needed was .0125mg adex once per week to get my e2 in range and once I got leaner I didnt need the AI at all

this is a blanket advice that is repeated over and over in low information spaces without validity or nuance.

Are you shaking the shit out of it before drawing it up? Also, do you pin test daily? What was your pinning schedule when e2 was 63?

yeah im shaking it, and its supposed to be in a solution not a suspension so it shouldnt make that big of a difference
test U every 4 days. so pretty stable.

 

[Liter O' Test]

@readalot

 

[BigDadd7]

Why are you still using AI?

 

[readalot]

@readalot

https://www.cdc.gov/clinical-standardization-programs/media/pdfs/2024/04/CDC-Certified-Estradiol-Procedures-508.pdf

Will be interesting if you can get any considerable movement on the dose response titration as you lower daily dose. Labcorp is CDC Host Certified for E2. See bias info.

I see you did check on concentration with vendor. Approx 1 mg/ml.

 

[Liter O' Test]

https://www.cdc.gov/clinical-standardization-programs/media/pdfs/2024/04/CDC-Certified-Estradiol-Procedures-508.pdf

Will be interesting if you can get any considerable movement on the dose response titration as you lower daily dose. Labcorp is CDC Host Certified for E2. See bias info.

I see you did check on concentration with vendor. Approx 1 mg/ml.

yeah i cant figure this out
its weird how high my estrogen gets without a.i, yet is sensitive to such small doses of adex, i dont want to think the vendor messed up a simple solution, especially when the testing samples/batches can be so consistent given how its manufactured.

Why are you still using AI?

because without it , my estrogen climbs to ~60 and my face becomes distorted from the fluid retention and i develop cystic acne on the face. Ive never seen anyone hold water in the face from estrogen like me.

i thought by reducing my doses by 50% would have a greater effect given howw much i aromatize.

I'll either do .02mg everyday or every other day
at this point i need a better device for measurement


the only thing i can think of is my increasing tren dose somehow acts like an A.I

 

[readalot]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028204023222

Linear PK dose response.

Can you confirm your solution is a solution. No precipitation?

Solubility should be no issue in EtOH.

 

[readalot]

the only thing i can think of is my increasing tren dose somehow acts like an A.I

I thought you were on TRT?

What all are you taking for labs above?

 

[Liter O' Test]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028204023222

Linear PK dose response.

Can you confirm your solution is a solution. No precipitation?

Solubility should be no issue in EtOH.

yeah i just checked, i shined a flashlight inside the opaque vial and from the outside as well, no floaters and completely clear, no particulate

I thought you were on TRT?

What all are you taking for labs above?

yeah sorry, "TRT dose of test "

80mg test U every 4 days. gets me to around 600 ng/dl

I've been titrating up tren hex 60mg-100mg.

started 25mg anavar about 10 days ago

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Don't use suspension AI...

/Thread

 

[professionaldyel]

Don't use suspension AI...

/Thread

its no flame towards OP - you have these dumb fuck influencers AND competitive bbers saying to use solutions because you can "dial in your dose better"

Yeah, no the fuck you can't youre coin flipping whether or not your product actually mixes around enough when you shake it. Ive fucked myself up multiple times with clen and ezetimibe not distributing properly.

 

[vapor77]

Get some Pharma AI.

Of all the things to go UGL with, I wouldn't trust them with drugs that are tiny doses.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Get some Pharma AI.

Of all the things to go UGL with, I wouldn't trust them with drugs that are tiny doses.

i have pharma a.i, cant accurately get less than quarters really. but youre right i might have to just bail,
solutions arent that hard to make so im surprised

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

solutions arent that hard to make so im surprised

Your liquid is a suspension right? You have to shake it up


There is a difference between suspension and solution

 

[hellogre2]

Either you forgot to shake the suspension up or throw that bottle to the trash and add EQ 1:3 ratio to test.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Your liquid is a suspension right? You have to shake it up


There is a difference between suspension and solution

you are the only one who has mentioned suspension in this thread so i thought you didn't know the difference because "solution" has been mentioned in this thread 6 or 7 times

 

[Ligament]

Stop using ai for 1 month then reassess. It's not that hard. You are crashing E2 because you are taking too much.