CYP vs. ENAN

[coach]

sup, fellas. Hey, what the hells the difference between cyp and enen?
Ive used cyp before, and done fine with it, so Im not opposed to just stickin with it, but Ive had people say that enen the best. any truth to that, or does it not make that big of a deal. I used prop a long time ago, but had bad reaction to it, fever and shit. have they pretty much improved the BA (I think thats the right term) levels? I use ** gear from the big Red Country. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[bigkb]

The only difference between cyp and enanthate is that the enanthate ester has one less carbon atom than cyp, making it slightly faster to release. But that difference can't even be noticed. So it's safe to say that neither one is more effective than the other.

Test is test, no matter what the ester. All the ester does is extend the activity of the drug in the system. It has nothing to do with the test's effects on size and strength.

KB

 

[ThePatriot]

Test is test, no matter what the ester. All the ester does is extend the activity of the drug in the system. It has nothing to do with the test's effects on size and strength.

KB

Right on the money. TEST IS TEST.

ThePatriot

 

[Deacon]

the only other difference is that enth is generally cheaper these days.

I prefer enth for that reason bro

 

[dumbbellpress]

The molecular weights of the most common Testosterones are:
Test suspension (unesterfied)=288
Test propionate=344 so Prop is 83.72% pure test
Test enanthate=400 so Enan is 72.00% pure test
Test cypionate=412 so Cyp is 69.90% pure test


Therefore, time for a little algebra boys and girls

(.7200)(Enanthate) = (.6990)(Cypionate)

Therefore, 100mg Enanthate has same amt of Test as 103.00 mg of Cypionate.

Enanthate is a 7 Carbon ester while Cypionate is an 8 carbon ester. Hence see above - 100mg Enanthate has same amt of Test as 103mg Cypionate.

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

 

[joe shmoe]

DBP...i've seen those ester weights slightly different. but only by 1 or 2 points...not a big deal. but out of pure curiosity...are you 100% on those #'s?

have a nice day

 

[dumbbellpress]

Joe, I do not have a copy of anabolics 2004 so I cannot veryify those #'s myself. However, a good bro (I thought it might have been you LOL) posted those MWeights about 6 months ago on Meso so I just assumed they were correct as noone said they were not correct. What #'s do you have Joe???

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

 

[odog]

interesting concept.

 

[neverbigenough]

I've used the QV Cyp (teston) twice as well as the QV enanthate twice and had similar results from the two, but much more pain from the injections of the QV 50ml Enanthate. Maybe just a bad batch or two ... I don't know.

 

[ThePatriot]

DBP...i've seen those ester weights slightly different. but only by 1 or 2 points...not a big deal. but out of pure curiosity...are you 100% on those #'s?

have a nice day

I was about to say the same thing. I think ive seen those number but a bit different. but not by much. But great info DBP.

ThePatriot

 

[DLStryker]

The molecular weights of the most common Testosterones are:
Test suspension (unesterfied)=288
Test propionate=344 so Prop is 83.72% pure test
Test enanthate=400 so Enan is 72.00% pure test
Test cypionate=412 so Cyp is 69.90% pure test


Therefore, time for a little algebra boys and girls

(.7200)(Enanthate) = (.6990)(Cypionate)

Therefore, 100mg Enanthate has same amt of Test as 103.00 mg of Cypionate.

Enanthate is a 7 Carbon ester while Cypionate is an 8 carbon ester. Hence see above - 100mg Enanthate has same amt of Test as 103mg Cypionate.

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

Alright you mathmatical genious, how about we ad some trigenometry to the equation. If the polynimial functions of the inverse realtionship.....ah hell...I don't even know what that BS means.

Just kidding!!

Question...........Is it possible that each person's body/molecular (whatever the correct term is) responds different to Cyp as opposed to Enan. Reason I ask is, I've done American Cyp (both Steris and Upjohn) and no comparible dose of Enan gives the same resulst. My long term question has been.." Is...are American product that much better than foreign products...or is my body a better responder to Cyp than Enan".

I cannot conduct a Cyp to Enan comparison, as no American companys produce Enan.

My sources for Enan were: QV, ICN, Brovel, Denkall T400 (Cyp, Enan & Prop).

Question is..."Is it a quality difference or a molecular difference...in my case)?

Stryker

 

[bc123jm]

cyp vs enanthate

bro here is the thing, if you took steris it was quite a long time ago, so how can you really remember your exact gains, as well as i'm sure there are a lot of other factors that played in to the differences you felt. like diet at the time, training, how many cycles you had already done. also you are compairing upjohn to QV and other mexican products. i think thats what happens when people say they saw more gains from one versus the other. it has a lot to do with the brand. it pretty much has everything to do with the brand. because as we see chemically there is basically no difference.

i think if you took the exact same dose of each and each brand was gauranteed to be exact and all other factors like training and diet were exact. you would see and feel no difference at all.

by the way, you can still get enanthate made in the good old usa. its manufactured by BTG the same guys that make oxandrin. its called delatestryl and comes in either a single 200mg preload syringe for about $25 or a 5ml mutidose vial 200mg/ml that sells for about $100 at the pharmacy.

i have recently used both upjohn cyp and delatestryl (enanthate). both came straight from the pharmacy as i have a prescription. i saw absolutley no difference in effect between the two.

again , i feel the difference people see has everything to do with the brand and the batch they used.

and yes. american stuff, really is that much better. in my opinion its worth the extra cash if you can get it.

BC

 

[joe shmoe]

DBP...i had the weights at:

prop = .86
enanthate = .72
cyp = .68

and i too got them from a thread at the old meso. very close, so its not a biggie. i'm thinking it might have been Rex Feral that posted that.

have a nice day

 

[2small]

I have used QV cyp and enan both same results. Only reason one might be better than other I believe partly depeends on the manufacture. Human grade versus Vet or animal grade so better gains. Who do you think scimps on quality control. Not knocking QV great prod for price.

 

[dumbbellpress]

Joe Schmoe, this should be extremely easy. If you have a copy of anabolics 2002 or 2004, just look up the MWeights of each compound. I would do it myself but i don't have a copy of it.

dumbbellpress Future Husband of Jennifer Love Hewitt Cowboys 2004 Super Bowl Champs

 

[liftheavy54]

I've used them both and saw no real difference between the two.

 

[New_Mass]

I've used the QV Cyp (teston) twice as well as the QV enanthate twice and had similar results from the two, but much more pain from the injections of the QV 50ml Enanthate. Maybe just a bad batch or two ... I don't know.

Alot of people say this also up on other boards about the QV brand enan.. is more painful and gives out less results than the cyp..which is less painful and gives out better results.

 

[ENDRO]

bro here is the thing, if you took steris it was quite a long time ago, so how can you really remember your exact gains, as well as i'm sure there are a lot of other factors that played in to the differences you felt. like diet at the time, training, how many cycles you had already done. also you are compairing upjohn to QV and other mexican products. i think thats what happens when people say they saw more gains from one versus the other. it has a lot to do with the brand. it pretty much has everything to do with the brand. because as we see chemically there is basically no difference.

i think if you took the exact same dose of each and each brand was gauranteed to be exact and all other factors like training and diet were exact. you would see and feel no difference at all.

by the way, you can still get enanthate made in the good old usa. its manufactured by BTG the same guys that make oxandrin. its called delatestryl and comes in either a single 200mg preload syringe for about $25 or a 5ml mutidose vial 200mg/ml that sells for about $100 at the pharmacy.

i have recently used both upjohn cyp and delatestryl (enanthate). both came straight from the pharmacy as i have a prescription. i saw absolutley no difference in effect between the two.

again , i feel the difference people see has everything to do with the brand and the batch they used.

and yes. american stuff, really is that much better. in my opinion its worth the extra cash if you can get it.

BC

I find it interesting you say that, I have used both products many times and I have always felt that the UPJOHN was a far better product and much better dosed for the money. My results on the Upjohn have always been better and I do try to train and eat consistently the same.

 

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

OK those of you who say TEST IS TEST are only half right. First off, the esters play a major role in the gains you make. Think of it this way, if you shoot 250mg of sust twice a week, your not going to get as good results as if you were to shoot 250mg of enanthate twice a week. Sure the test that is realeased after the ester breaks off is the same stuff but the time release of the ester plays a role. For the best gains, you need your test levels in the blood to stay consistant. With certain esters, its easier to keep your blood levels stable. So, next time you plan a cycle with test, consider how the esters play out. If you plan on using sust, then you should know it needs to be shot much more often than say enanthate or cyp because of the short acting esters in the mix. However, its easily possible to keep consistant blood levels with only one or two shots (two is prefered) of enanthate or cypionate a week. After you consider the esters and the time release, then test is test. After that, the best way to seperate the two is by price and availablity. If you ask me, enanthate is probably the best test because it easily keeps test levels stable, its easy to find, and its relativly cheap. Enanthate and cypionate are very similiar and I really don' t think that its makes a difference which you use but when you consider that enanthate is usually cheaper, then i guess that would help you make your final decision.


GEAR AND SAUCE

 

[adjutant]

I hate when people say Test is Test.

I react differently to every type.

Prop=no water, good strength
Enanthate=ithy nips, a little bit of moon face
Cyp=moon face, small little red bumps on my arms (super baby pimples)notmany
Sust=MOON face!! strong as hell, moderate pimples on shoulders post cycle

Yes Testosterone is testosterone, but when you say that you're really misrepresenting the truth.