Blood work results

[Stez]

I'm 22, into bodybuilding (tho im not massive or anything) and general good health.

My current TRT regime before this blood test is as follows:

125mg Testosterone Enanthate E5D (every 5th day).
200iu HCG EOD (every other/2nd day)

I took both shots the day before this blood was taken so levels would be at their highest.

Results:

Oestradiol 236 (40-250)
Testosterone 31 (10-33)
Free Testosterone 151 (60-130)
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin 10 (13-71)

Myself and the doctor were very pleased with the results. It's exactly where I want to be, although I will try to lower the E2 using natural products such as indoplex with DIM and linseed meal.

I've actually started shooting the HCG less. I think I will shoot 250iu on day 4 and 5 or something like that - I'll just move it around until I can use as less as possible and get the best effects. The main result of HCG I've found is sex drive, and that is what I'm using it for (I'm on enough testosterone not to worry about the testosterone rise from the hcg).

So there you have it

I'm very happy with how things are going. Feeling great, body is literally morphing into a machine, sleeping good, all good. I've worked damn hard and had perfect diet for so many years in the gym without getting the results I deserved, and now I am. It feels really good.

 

[Starkraven]

did u always have low test? how long have u been on TRT? 22 is young for TRT, im 22 myself. when did you feel u needed to get on TRT? those numbers look good except for the E2.

 

[pmgamer18]

The E2 is the libido killer at least it was for me. I keep my E2 Estradiol between 25 to 35 test range <20 to 56. I find Indolplex/DIM and 1/4 of a arimidex to work good for me. I got a shot yesterday 100 mgs. get them every week now. But still last night I had trouble with my E2 going to high so at 2 am I took a 1/4 of an arimidex and for the rest of the night I kept waking up with real hard wood. I stopped Testim 10 geams 3 weeks ago not getting a shot makes my joints and muscles hurt so bad it is hard to walk. Been on TRT for over 21 yrs. I am one of these that no matter what TRT I use I have problems with high E2.
Phil

 

[Stez]

Basically I didn't realise I needed HRT. As I said, I'm into bodybuilding. I was sick of not getting results after busting my guts for years, so I decided to do gear. Went to get blood tests before starting the cycle, and that's when I found out my natural levels were absolute crap.

Explained why I suffered from really bad fatigue, slept like shit, body didn't improve after years of hard training and good diet, mood swings and depression. I always thought it was normal to feel this way, now I know differently.

Concerning the indoplex with DIM, how much should I start on? I'm going to be using this one http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/et/estro.html
It's the same as the men's one, only it's stronger at the same price.

 

[pmgamer18]

This is what I use it is the same does and all.
http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html
But I must warn you if you don't get a test and take this you can go to low and it is worse then to high. But if your test comes back on the high side or over the top of the range then try taking one pill a day until you get real hard wood all night long keep taking it. But if the wood stops stop taking the pill until the wood comes back then go back on it but do half. Keep doing this until you find the right level and dose the window is small.
Phil

 

[greatgro]

I've worked damn hard and had perfect diet for so many years in the gym without getting the results I deserved, and now I am. It feels really good.

Worked hard and perfect diet for many years??? You're only 22!!!

 

[earthdog]

I'm very happy with how things are going. Feeling great, body is literally morphing into a machine, sleeping good, all good. I've worked damn hard and had perfect diet for so many years in the gym without getting the results I deserved, and now I am. It feels really good.

Good for you Stez!

But one question: what did you mean when you said you were on enough testosterone not to worry about the testosterone rise from the hcg?

 

[SWALE]

"I'm on enough testosterone not to worry about the testosterone rise from the hcg)." I do not understand this statement. The closer one is to the top of normal range, the more they need to worry about HCG's ability to elevate T levels.

PM--That arimidex did absolutely nothing to your hormone levels that night. It takes 2.5 half-lives (which adds up to 12.5 days for that med) to stabilize serum drug levels.

 

[Stez]

Ok ok not "many" years, but 4 years seems a lot since I was taking it really seriously and sacrificing nights out on the booze and eating boringly clean diet and not getting much return for all the effort

As for the comment about test and hcg.

This blood work was done the day after shooting both 125mg testosterone and also 200iu hcg. So this would be the peak time, but it is still within range so it should be all good. Since I shoot testosterone every 5th day instead of every 7th day then I'm not getting as low at the end of the week so it's not AS imporant to boost it with the hcg, although I'm still taking this into consideration now.

Now I'm trying the following:
Day1: Nothing
Day2: Nothing
Day3: 200iu HCG
Day4: 200iu HCG
Day5: 125mg enanthate
Repeat.

Basically trying to reduce the hcg usage to a minimum.

I think if I can lower my E2 to the middle of the range with indoplex-DIM things will be good.

 

[earthdog]

Ok ok not "many" years, but 4 years seems a lot since I was taking it really seriously and sacrificing nights out on the booze and eating boringly clean diet and not getting much return for all the effort

C'mon, give the kid a break! That's almost 20% of his life!

 

[pmgamer18]

"I'm on enough testosterone not to worry about the testosterone rise from the hcg)." I do not understand this statement. The closer one is to the top of normal range, the more they need to worry about HCG's ability to elevate T levels.

PM--That arimidex did absolutely nothing to your hormone levels that night. It takes 2.5 half-lives (which adds up to 12.5 days for that med) to stabilize serum drug levels.

It has to be doing someting I wake up socking wet feel hot and like I don't know what to do with my self. I am talking about high E2 mine goes up fast. When this started I was on Testim 10 g per day but my Total T was at 600 down from my normal 1000 range for my lab Biotech here in Mi. is 262 to 1593 ng/dL. For years I have had to have a shot on top of the max does of gel or my joints and muscles hurt so bad I can hardly walk. But doing this drove up my E2 I went 10 yrs. like this until I found out about high E2 in men.
I got my E2 down using Arimidex .5 mgs. eveyday for a month. I never was able to have sex for 10 yrs. I had a low pain in my prostate and would be up 3 to 4 times a night peeing. I was having trouble with my skin would get a rash in the same spots on my body and nothing would make them go away. I had panic attacks in the middle of the night. All this is gone getting my E2 down. We stopped doing the added shots but my joints and muscles were hurting so bad I was houes bound. So I asked my Dr. to put me back on shots and drop the testim. He felt that I could do both but this drove my E2 up again and just after getting the shot I would wake up sick my Dr. told me to take a 1/4 of and arimidex and in 2 hrs. I felt better. When I did not take the Arimidex this would go on for days like 4 days so it did some thing.
Phil