Benzyl benzoate vs ethyl oleate on inflammation markers in the blood

[Ghoul]

Bumping this old thread.
Is there any way to determine which is "safer" to use long term in general, assuming one does not have any reactions to either substances?

With China oils (EO) or Mig840, my hsCRP returns nicely at ~0.3.
No lumps, pip, allergic reaction or anything of that sort.

For most brews, i have been using the least amount of BB and then relying on the low viscosity of Mig840.

The below are the SDS of common oils

812
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https://tr.organic-materials.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/MIGLYOL_812_NF_MSDS_GB.pdf

840
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https://www.haenseler.ch/userdata/custom_files/security_sheet/29340000_EN.pdf

EO
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https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=AC410292500&countryCode=US&language=en

BB
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https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=AC105860010&productDescription=BENZYL+BENZOATE%2C+99%2B%25+1LT&vendorId=VN00032119&countryCode=US&language=en

Based of SDS LD50 (how reliable for our use?), 812 > EO > 840 > BB?
812 is the only one approved for IV, which makes it safest?
840 does breaks down to PG, which may not be ideal, but synthetic 840 doesn't oxidize, vs EO which does.

812 -> Glycerol and FFA
840 -> PG + FFA
EO -> Ethanol + FFA

Is there any way to determine which is "safer" to use long term in high quantities? or does it not matter because we're not using enough of anything to make a difference?

Of those, 812 hands down. It’s the most compatible with human biology. There are people who get infused with 1g/kg 812 for years if they can’t absorb nutrition for some reason (intestinal conditions). So 100 grams a day, 365 days a year for a 100kg person,

The only safety issue that limits the amount used is elevated triglycerides.

It’s super pure coconut oil, the type of fat that’s most easily absorbed by the liver and metabolized into energy. “Dry kindling” fat, and its presence doesn’t cause any other abnormal reaction.

*this applies to all pharma grade MCT in general, but 812 is the long accepted standard for extreme purity. Other high end MCTs come close(and as a practical matter just as good though harder to buy in small quantities), but what sets 812 apart is that it’s synthesized, instead of being “fractionated”, that is natural MCT going through chemical purification processes to get the end product. 812 is built from the basic fatty acid building blocks into the ideal MCT oil.

 

[Photon]

Of those, 812 hands down. It’s the most compatible with human biology. There are people who get infused with 1g/kg 812 for years if they can’t absorb nutrition for some reason (intestinal conditions). So 100 grams a day, 365 days a year for a 100kg person,

The only safety issue that limits the amount used is elevated triglycerides.

It’s super pure coconut oil, the type of fat that’s most easily absorbed by the liver and metabolized into energy. “Dry kindling” fat, and its presence doesn’t cause any other abnormal reaction.

*this applies to all pharma grade MCT in general, but 812 is the long accepted standard for extreme purity. Other high end MCTs come close, but what sets 812 apart is that it’s synthesized, instead of being “fractionated”, that is natural MCT going through chemical purification processes to get the end product. 812 is built from the basic fatty acid building blocks into the ideal MCT oil.

I also agree 812 is the safest but it can't be used on its own.
Its 812 + something (840, EO or BB) to reduce viscosity and improve solvent properties.

On the other hand, you can usually use 840 or EO as standalone.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out the safest combination.

 

[Ghoul]

I also agree 812 is the safest but it can't be used on its own.
Its 812 + something (840, EO or BB) to reduce viscosity and improve solvent properties.

On the other hand, you can usually use 840 or EO as standalone.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out the safest combination.

I’m not a brewer, so I wasn’t aware of that. So 812 is too thick on its own? I thought MCT was on the thinner side of oils.

I guess then it comes down to how much BB or EO is needed. Even if one is “worse” than the other, the amount needed would be a major factor.

 

[Photon]

I’m not a brewer, so I wasn’t aware of that. So 812 is too thick on its own? I thought MCT was on the thinner side of oils.

I guess then it comes down to how much BB or EO is needed. Even if one is “worse” than the other, the amount needed would be a major factor.

It depends on what's being brewed (compound + concentration).

I'd put MIG840 as 812 + ~10% BB?
EO is slightly better (I guess? haven't played with it honestly)

I guess the safest is low concentration, low bb and 100% 812 (but who wants to pin mls a day) lol

 

[Sampei]

840 is not good at all, works only for a while and then you start getting pretty fucked up lumps pip. Knots etc at least in my own personal experience and of many others.

BB is the safest IMHO is the one used in all the parental injection preparation by pharma, second best is EO.

Probably a mix of the two should be best? But EO is not as strong as BB in dissolving so there is that to take into consideration

 

[dick_starbuck]

840 is not good at all, works only for a while and then you start getting pretty fucked up lumps pip. Knots etc at least in my own personal experience and of many others.

BB is the safest IMHO is the one used in all the parental injection preparation by pharma, second best is EO.

Probably a mix of the two should be best? But EO is not as strong as BB in dissolving so there is that to take into consideration

Ive got to agree here. I was using Mig840 for a few months this year for my TNE and other preworkout shots. My word. Suddenly I was allergic to it. The lumps are painful and have taken over a week to go away.

Highly recommend against mig840 now.

 

[Photon]

Ive got to agree here. I was using Mig840 for a few months this year for my TNE and other preworkout shots. My word. Suddenly I was allergic to it. The lumps are painful and have taken over a week to go away.

Highly recommend against mig840 now.

Are you on DHB?
it causes weird inflammatory reactions.
I'm on my 4th week now.

The places I inject DHB (even with no pip) easily pips when anything else is injected in it. Very interesting.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Are you on DHB?
it causes weird inflammatory reactions.
I'm on my 4th week now.

The places I inject DHB (even with no pip) easily pips when anything else is injected in it. Very interesting.

No. I was using DHB the past three months previously though. I used some Mintys DHB from my stock, some Hepius that I refiltered, and some Stanford Pharm. All of them were PIPless and I felt fine.

This started suddenly. The only other compounds im on are test c and test p.

Also my preworkout shots are not included in my daily oils shot.

 

[nullandvoid]

I bought bulk from a source early last year. hs-CRP is historically low and stable, but past few times I have had labs, starting last summer, it has crept upward each time. Come to find out, that source put EO in everything, regardless of need. 10% in everything. Everything is pretty well controlled otherwise, so I have to wonder if that's the cause. I'll be done with their oils in the next four months or so and will be switching. Interested to see if CRP reverses its trend.

I know it's a long time since this post, but my hs-CRP is now 0.8 (just got lab results). At its peak after my post in April, it was 3.8 in August, which was right around the time I was transitioning to another source's oils and off the EO stuff. However, I also started things for cholesterol and have had great results... so I'm not sure if getting off the EO or making other improvements made the difference.

 

[Ghoul]

I know it's a long time since this post, but my hs-CRP is now 0.8 (just got lab results).

What was it before?

 

[nullandvoid]

What was it before?

Sorry, I did a stealth edit and added a lot more.

 

[Ghoul]

Sorry, I did a stealth edit and added a lot more.

That’s huge, glad to see you’re on the right side of HS-CRP <1 now.

It’s recognized as such a big cardiovascular risk factor, the American College of Cardiology and American Heart Association just released a statement saying everyone should be screened for HS-CRP now, and if it’s consistently above 3 over several tests, with no other explanation, should be put on a statin to bring it down, regardless of lipids. (statins reduce HS-CRP 50-60%.)

 

[nullandvoid]

That’s huge, glad to see you’re on the right side of HS-CRP <1 now.

It’s recognized as such a big cardiovascular risk factor, the American College of Cardiology and American Heart Association just released a statement saying everyone should be screened for HS-CRP now, and if it’s consistently above 3 over several tests, with no other explanation, should be put on a statin to bring it down, regardless of lipids. (statins reduce HS-CRP 50-60%.)

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I was really starting to worry watching it keep trending upwards. And now with my cholesterol numbers and hs-CRP, I'm no longer kicking the can down the road to the next bloodwork hoping it'll be better.

Here's a latest set of lipids. The 10/17 set represent six weeks into starting Pravastatin 40mg and 10mg of Ezitimibe... while on Tren A of 30mg a day. On 11/6, I stopped the Tren A and immediately started on Anavar, because I'm impatient and wanted to get back on something that I know I respond well in spite of knowing I should give myself a cooldown period. Tren was a very mixed bag and not something I'll repeat anytime soon. So lipids have skewed a bit from 10/17 unfortunately. Two days ago I finished up the last of the Pravastatin and started Pitavastatin 4mg (Zydus) along with the Ezitimibe 10mg. I've already got an appointment scheduled with Quest six weeks from now to see how things fare. I truly love Anavar, but I need to get that LDL down enough so I can actually start reversing accumulation.