Anyone own a laser hair remover?

[Chuck Spears]

They have these on Amazon for like $100.
Do they even work?
Is it safe to use on balls and buttcrack?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09CPG6H3W/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

 

[Megadick3000]

I owned one, not this one in your photo, a different one, i forget the name. It was around $500, it was a true laser as in an Alexandrite laser.

The one in your photo looks like IPL, IPL is not the same as a laser and is cheaper and less effective.

I ended up reselling mine after using many times as it proved unable to permanently remove the hair and was extremely painful.

Ive also had over 50 professional laser hair removal sessions using Alexandrite and YAG lasers. Ive also had over 100 hours of electrolysis treatment.

Nothing worked except the alexandrite laser from professional derma clinic. That worked to permanently remove the hair from my butt cheeks and butt crack (took about 15 sessions over several years) however it failed to even reduce the visibility of body hair anywhere else it was used.

Ive spent tens of thousands of dollars over a decade and have been unable to permanently remove body hair anywhere except my ass. I have no clue why it only worked there.

Both laser and electrolysis are painful as fuck too. At least for me they are. It feels like a burning hot needle being inserted into your skin everywhere theres a hair. Multiply by hundreds of hairs on a given body part and its an excrutiatingly painful process, costs a lot of money, and yielded very little results in terms of permanent hair removal. For some reason i just dont respond well to it. You may have better results.

 

[Megadick3000]

Ah yes the one i owned was called Tria, as i mentioned its an actual laser not an IPL device.

Tria Laser

 

[BBC3]

Reply to @Chuck Spears - Yea they work. Hair removal via laser is tricky to get max bang for buck. The hair must be in the anagen phase which is the growth phase to be most effective (think I recall). But make no mistake that hairs are always moving and pushing out regardless as to whether they are growing or not. So dont think they are growing for sure just because they are still coming out of your skin. The final phase is just a root death and push out and without a root the laser is ineffective. E/ery body hair AREA has a different growth cycle. Some take weeks, some take 6 months. I used to try to synchronize the growth to get best bang for buck when doing back and shoulders at one of those uppity clinics. It took them about an hour to cover the turf. Some wiill have deals like 3 back and shoulders for $3-400.00 for all of em... Don't pay more than that.. 2 sessions for $400 is not bad.

1. First get everything waxed off and pulled out by the root first so you can tell when a real growth phase begins. Then do you first session when you see regrowth (let em come in for a few weeks they will be thin if the waxing got them to the root)... It may take months before you see that growth (waxing is actually really effective and somewhat permanent in the long run)...
2. Other than that shave close before each session or it will sting like a bitch as the hair cooks on the surface of the skin too...
3. Best to have the lightest skin and darkest hair possible so the laser won't affect the skin and dark hair absorbs the laser hit better when hair is darker. LASER IS LOOKING FOR DARK STUFF TO COOK...
4, Forget about blonds and greys it wont work on them.
5. DONT BE TANNING AT ALL or any time recent. If using a clinic and your body conditions are right (as stated above), you should have them crank it all the way up by 2nd session. Take some tylenol 2 hours first. 1500mgs if doing a whole 1 hour back shoulder session.
6. When I say synchronize. I mean do one session when you see they are really coming in for the first time after pulling/waxing them. Then wait until the next batch is coming in good (about 6 weeks). Then by the third time you hit more new ones you are starting to get them all on the same growth schedule. But if you are using a hollywood type clinic dont fall for their bullshit and come every 2 weeks.

- if you wax first go ahead and pull the ones that just broke off as they come on thru over the next week or two. It should be a few months before you see the new growth for the first round of laser. Or if you got the Change$$, just shave em and start it up.. But the thicker they are, the hotter they buuurrrrnnnnnn. LOL

@Megadick3000 Yea I did the electrolysis when I was 20 and yea OUCH.. Shit left scars. I also wonder how bad it was running all the DC current thru my body considering the galvanic properties involved in electrolysis. I think there was an AC form of it as well, but that did not work due to same reason as no galvanics occur there. I also wonder how bad that laser is for blood cells, etc... Consider the darker the skin the bigger hit it takes as well.. So @ the OP, I would research which one of the cheap ones you buy checking out the light wave (nm) the particular laser works on the hardest to be sure you don't cook your blood... The light wave frequency will tell you which color the particular laser works on - there are charts our there if you research it. Those handheld ones are good for about 500K pulses or something like that then they are in the trashcan.. AND WEAR THE GLASSES CLOSE OR YOU WILL COOK YOUR EYES OUT... Make no mistake the laser will bounce off shit you dont think it will and it can destroy your eyes FAST...

Dont have freckles. Stay off moles.. DAYAM I AM BORED...

 

[Inspired]

I owned one, not this one in your photo, a different one, i forget the name. It was around $500, it was a true laser as in an Alexandrite laser.

The one in your photo looks like IPL, IPL is not the same as a laser and is cheaper and less effective.

I ended up reselling mine after using many times as it proved unable to permanently remove the hair and was extremely painful.

Ive also had over 50 professional laser hair removal sessions using Alexandrite and YAG lasers. Ive also had over 100 hours of electrolysis treatment.

Nothing worked except the alexandrite laser from professional derma clinic. That worked to permanently remove the hair from my butt cheeks and butt crack (took about 15 sessions over several years) however it failed to even reduce the visibility of body hair anywhere else it was used.

Ive spent tens of thousands of dollars over a decade and have been unable to permanently remove body hair anywhere except my ass. I have no clue why it only worked there.

Both laser and electrolysis are painful as fuck too. At least for me they are. It feels like a burning hot needle being inserted into your skin everywhere theres a hair. Multiply by hundreds of hairs on a given body part and its an excrutiatingly painful process, costs a lot of money, and yielded very little results in terms of permanent hair removal. For some reason i just dont respond well to it. You may have better results.

That sounds like a nightmare. Do you think maybe they just didn't crank up the power to a high enough level?

 

[Megadick3000]

That sounds like a nightmare. Do you think maybe they just didn't crank up the power to a high enough level?

My derma lady used very high power. Each treatment was consecutively higher power used. I am also the ideal laser candidate as i have white skin and dark briwn nearly black body hair. This is optimal, however despite this the results were lack luster. The fact is im a fucking monkey and i cannot be cured of that. Thankfully the place i most wanted the hair gone, my ass crack, responded as expected to treatment. However its a mystery to me and my derma lady why the rest of my body hair failed to lessen despite years of treatments. My monkey genes are just too resilient i guess?

Others may have different results and ive seen many guys who claim massive reduction in number and coarseness from years of laser. So you just never know.

 

[JesterBOB]

My friends who use the laser all respond positively and say this is the only suitable option for them.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

this is one of the best trimmers I've used because it's designed like a tooth brush, which allows you to have a better handle on it, so you don't have to use weird wrist positions which make shaving annoying; you literally stroke like your brushing hair off, and it almost looks like you used a razor blade...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0741BYXK5?

 

[JesterBOB]

this is one of the best trimmers I've used because it's designed like a tooth brush, which allows you to have a better handle on it, so you don't have to use weird wrist positions which make shaving annoying; you literally stroke like your brushing hair off, and it almost looks like you used a razor blade...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0741BYXK5?

It looks very comfortable, I have not seen this before, I will have to order and test. Thanks for the link.

 

[BBC3]

My derma lady used very high power. Each treatment was consecutively higher power used. I am also the ideal laser candidate as i have white skin and dark briwn nearly black body hair. This is optimal, however despite this the results were lack luster. The fact is im a fucking monkey and i cannot be cured of that. Thankfully the place i most wanted the hair gone, my ass crack, responded as expected to treatment. However its a mystery to me and my derma lady why the rest of my body hair failed to lessen despite years of treatments. My monkey genes are just too resilient i guess?

Others may have different results and ive seen many guys who claim massive reduction in number and coarseness from years of laser. So you just never know.

Consider what you are saying about the failed laser process is not adding up. When the tech is doing the work they are watching your skin snap, crackle, and POP. In short they know when to stop working the laser in a specific area as they can see when the hairs stop frying under the skin. Then they move on to the next area. You simply should not have any hair left there to regrow till the next growth cycle. (This does not mean that the hair she burned there was not already in late stages and simply pushing out, already detached from live root, and a new one was getting ready to start right after you complete the treatment)... This means that if you are cooking a hair that is already done with it's root, detached and just pushing out, then you are really just clearing the way for the next one to come in easier...

You cant just go in occasionally. And you cant go every week. Both of those timings are ineffective. You have to stretch your sessions apart as much as 4-6 weeks and go for at least 6-7 sessions in a row and that way you have killed all old growth, new growth, starting into second hits on some hair, and also beginning to synchronize things to all grow at once (at least optimally in the long run)...

I Think its said that only 15% of body hair is in the growth stage at any one time... So the best you can hope for is a 15% kill rate per treatment.. (Keep in mind I am shooting from memory here).... Also consider than within that 15%, more than half of those will only reduce by 50% in growth size/potential and require at least one more zap.

CALCULATION:
Procedure Rate
- 15% active growth hair equals 7 treatments just to hit each hair (100% Coverage) at least once.
- Keep the interval the same and somewhere between 4-6 weeks depending on how fast you hair grows new ones metabolically. BUT KEEP SAME PACE OR YOU ARE DROPPING THE BALL ON THE 5 !!!!!!.
- Weekly interval must be same because that 15% which is growing is randomized and essentially some new ones come in every day.
- The furthest out a new hair not yet hit could come in is 3-4 months give or take depending on body area and you genetics...
- The 100% figure above is not kill rate, remember that's to be sure and hit a hair at least once. Consider 7 treatments even on short side of 4 week intervals is going to total 7 months of procedures so you are already getting into hitting the ones you got in the first two sessions for the second time by the time you complete Session #7..
- The biggest trick is the knowledge of HOW LONG the growth period while the hair is attached actively to the root LASTS. And that is somewhere between 4-8weeks. Remember this is the only time you can harm it... Hence the 4-6 week session interval and keeps you on the safe side of the first 8 weeks of a hair lifespan.

If you follow that protocol then at the end of 7 sessions, which would equal AT LEAST 28weeks or 1/2 of an EARTH YEAR.. You really should not see a hair on your body.

If you want to guarantee permanent results to 60+% of your area you are working start that 7-treatment cycle again in about 3-4 months. After two of those sessions, the only hair remaining will be whatever NEW growth you stimulated with all that fukkin test...



There are reasons laser work fails. Get her to tell you what the machine model she uses is. Some of the machines and technology out there is SHIT... You might be wasting you time with her. So research that. She's not going to tell you she invested in bunk equipment..

In addition - And HONESTLY isn't that just really the same action as waxing..?? If you snatch it by the root?? So waxing WILL FAIL at first for every hair that breaks off at/ and leaves the root sheath behind. But each time you get a tug on it brings it closer to coming out root and all. And this is ALMOST as effective as laser therapy as it also makes the hair get smaller and smaller with each regrowth cycle..! While in theory the point of hitting a hair with a laser in growth phase is so you can cauterize all the blood supply while its hooked up to and active at a root bulb/sheath. But the act of snatching a root out bulb and all also stops the need for blood supply to the pore and does do a major reset of that hair follicle.

The pros and cons to Laser vs Epilation as follows. Snatching hairs leaves a mess of half pulled hair roots the first time or two which can result in all kinds of sideways inverse growth and infection and requires a lot of skin scrubbing to get that shit straight. Laser work still requires a little skin maintenance to get the burn debris and sebum and shit out. Laser will ultimately be more permanent if you do it right, but who knows how much blood its cooking and what all the hell its doing to ya...

It should finally be noted that the first back wax I ever did was with an Aveda salon down in S Florida that used all the high tech expensive products and that shit got EVERYTHING CLEAN. There were not any half roots of shit remaining to drag up and cause skin problems. But many Avedas skew far off the corporate path will cheap out and not do it right. So I did not pursue the wax path once I figured out I lucked-up and had just stumbled on to a good shop that first time. In short if the shop looks like cheap shit they will fuck ya and take yer money...

 

[Megadick3000]

Consider what you are saying about the failed laser process is not adding up. When the tech is doing the work they are watching your skin snap, crackle, and POP. In short they know when to stop working the laser in a specific area as they can see when the hairs stop frying under the skin. Then they move on to the next area. You simply should not have any hair left there to regrow till the next growth cycle. (This does not mean that the hair she burned there was not already in late stages and simply pushing out, already detached from live root, and a new one was getting ready to start right after you complete the treatment)... This means that if you are cooking a hair that is already done with it's root, detached and just pushing out, then you are really just clearing the way for the next one to come in easier...

You cant just go in occasionally. And you cant go every week. Both of those timings are ineffective. You have to stretch your sessions apart as much as 4-6 weeks and go for at least 6-7 sessions in a row and that way you have killed all old growth, new growth, starting into second hits on some hair, and also beginning to synchronize things to all grow at once (at least optimally in the long run)...

I Think its said that only 15% of body hair is in the growth stage at any one time... So the best you can hope for is a 15% kill rate per treatment.. (Keep in mind I am shooting from memory here).... Also consider than within that 15%, more than half of those will only reduce by 50% in growth size/potential and require at least one more zap.

CALCULATION:
Procedure Rate
- 15% active growth hair equals 7 treatments just to hit each hair (100% Coverage) at least once.
- Keep the interval the same and somewhere between 4-6 weeks depending on how fast you hair grows new ones metabolically. BUT KEEP SAME PACE OR YOU ARE DROPPING THE BALL ON THE 5 !!!!!!.
- Weekly interval must be same because that 15% which is growing is randomized and essentially some new ones come in every day.
- The furthest out a new hair not yet hit could come in is 3-4 months give or take depending on body area and you genetics...
- The 100% figure above is not kill rate, remember that's to be sure and hit a hair at least once. Consider 7 treatments even on short side of 4 week intervals is going to total 7 months of procedures so you are already getting into hitting the ones you got in the first two sessions for the second time by the time you complete Session #7..
- The biggest trick is the knowledge of HOW LONG the growth period while the hair is attached actively to the root LASTS. And that is somewhere between 4-8weeks. Remember this is the only time you can harm it... Hence the 4-6 week session interval and keeps you on the safe side of the first 8 weeks of a hair lifespan.

If you follow that protocol then at the end of 7 sessions, which would equal AT LEAST 28weeks or 1/2 of an EARTH YEAR.. You really should not see a hair on your body.

If you want to guarantee permanent results to 60+% of your area you are working start that 7-treatment cycle again in about 3-4 months. After two of those sessions, the only hair remaining will be whatever NEW growth you stimulated with all that fukkin test...



There are reasons laser work fails. Get her to tell you what the machine model she uses is. Some of the machines and technology out there is SHIT... You might be wasting you time with her. So research that. She's not going to tell you she invested in bunk equipment..

In addition - And HONESTLY isn't that just really the same action as waxing..?? If you snatch it by the root?? So waxing WILL FAIL at first for every hair that breaks off at/ and leaves the root sheath behind. But each time you get a tug on it brings it closer to coming out root and all. And this is ALMOST as effective as laser therapy as it also makes the hair get smaller and smaller with each regrowth cycle..! While in theory the point of hitting a hair with a laser in growth phase is so you can cauterize all the blood supply while its hooked up to and active at a root bulb/sheath. But the act of snatching a root out bulb and all also stops the need for blood supply to the pore and does do a major reset of that hair follicle.

The pros and cons to Laser vs Epilation as follows. Snatching hairs leaves a mess of half pulled hair roots the first time or two which can result in all kinds of sideways inverse growth and infection and requires a lot of skin scrubbing to get that shit straight. Laser work still requires a little skin maintenance to get the burn debris and sebum and shit out. Laser will ultimately be more permanent if you do it right, but who knows how much blood its cooking and what all the hell its doing to ya...

It should finally be noted that the first back wax I ever did was with an Aveda salon down in S Florida that used all the high tech expensive products and that shit got EVERYTHING CLEAN. There were not any half roots of shit remaining to drag up and cause skin problems. But many Avedas skew far off the corporate path will cheap out and not do it right. So I did not pursue the wax path once I figured out I lucked-up and had just stumbled on to a good shop that first time. In short if the shop looks like cheap shit they will fuck ya and take yer money...

Bro i went on a strict schedule for years. I forget the machine now but at the time i had researched into it and it was good to go. It was an alexandrite laser and it also had CO2 pulses which intended to but failed to help reduce the pain. Plus it worked on my ass but not elsewhere (noticeably). I also used their YAG laser when i was too tanned to be hit with the alexandrite. Plus many hours of electrolysis with 2 different electrologists. Plus many @home treatments with the Tria laser. Nothing works for me. Everyone who treated me was baffled by my low response.

Therefore i can only conclude that its because i am so uber-androgynous that my androgeny cannot be lessened by even the best technology humanity has to offer.

 

[Inspired]

Consider what you are saying about the failed laser process is not adding up. When the tech is doing the work they are watching your skin snap, crackle, and POP. In short they know when to stop working the laser in a specific area as they can see when the hairs stop frying under the skin. Then they move on to the next area. You simply should not have any hair left there to regrow till the next growth cycle. (This does not mean that the hair she burned there was not already in late stages and simply pushing out, already detached from live root, and a new one was getting ready to start right after you complete the treatment)... This means that if you are cooking a hair that is already done with it's root, detached and just pushing out, then you are really just clearing the way for the next one to come in easier...

You cant just go in occasionally. And you cant go every week. Both of those timings are ineffective. You have to stretch your sessions apart as much as 4-6 weeks and go for at least 6-7 sessions in a row and that way you have killed all old growth, new growth, starting into second hits on some hair, and also beginning to synchronize things to all grow at once (at least optimally in the long run)...

I Think its said that only 15% of body hair is in the growth stage at any one time... So the best you can hope for is a 15% kill rate per treatment.. (Keep in mind I am shooting from memory here).... Also consider than within that 15%, more than half of those will only reduce by 50% in growth size/potential and require at least one more zap.

CALCULATION:
Procedure Rate
- 15% active growth hair equals 7 treatments just to hit each hair (100% Coverage) at least once.
- Keep the interval the same and somewhere between 4-6 weeks depending on how fast you hair grows new ones metabolically. BUT KEEP SAME PACE OR YOU ARE DROPPING THE BALL ON THE 5 !!!!!!.
- Weekly interval must be same because that 15% which is growing is randomized and essentially some new ones come in every day.
- The furthest out a new hair not yet hit could come in is 3-4 months give or take depending on body area and you genetics...
- The 100% figure above is not kill rate, remember that's to be sure and hit a hair at least once. Consider 7 treatments even on short side of 4 week intervals is going to total 7 months of procedures so you are already getting into hitting the ones you got in the first two sessions for the second time by the time you complete Session #7..
- The biggest trick is the knowledge of HOW LONG the growth period while the hair is attached actively to the root LASTS. And that is somewhere between 4-8weeks. Remember this is the only time you can harm it... Hence the 4-6 week session interval and keeps you on the safe side of the first 8 weeks of a hair lifespan.

If you follow that protocol then at the end of 7 sessions, which would equal AT LEAST 28weeks or 1/2 of an EARTH YEAR.. You really should not see a hair on your body.

If you want to guarantee permanent results to 60+% of your area you are working start that 7-treatment cycle again in about 3-4 months. After two of those sessions, the only hair remaining will be whatever NEW growth you stimulated with all that fukkin test...



There are reasons laser work fails. Get her to tell you what the machine model she uses is. Some of the machines and technology out there is SHIT... You might be wasting you time with her. So research that. She's not going to tell you she invested in bunk equipment..

In addition - And HONESTLY isn't that just really the same action as waxing..?? If you snatch it by the root?? So waxing WILL FAIL at first for every hair that breaks off at/ and leaves the root sheath behind. But each time you get a tug on it brings it closer to coming out root and all. And this is ALMOST as effective as laser therapy as it also makes the hair get smaller and smaller with each regrowth cycle..! While in theory the point of hitting a hair with a laser in growth phase is so you can cauterize all the blood supply while its hooked up to and active at a root bulb/sheath. But the act of snatching a root out bulb and all also stops the need for blood supply to the pore and does do a major reset of that hair follicle.

The pros and cons to Laser vs Epilation as follows. Snatching hairs leaves a mess of half pulled hair roots the first time or two which can result in all kinds of sideways inverse growth and infection and requires a lot of skin scrubbing to get that shit straight. Laser work still requires a little skin maintenance to get the burn debris and sebum and shit out. Laser will ultimately be more permanent if you do it right, but who knows how much blood its cooking and what all the hell its doing to ya...

It should finally be noted that the first back wax I ever did was with an Aveda salon down in S Florida that used all the high tech expensive products and that shit got EVERYTHING CLEAN. There were not any half roots of shit remaining to drag up and cause skin problems. But many Avedas skew far off the corporate path will cheap out and not do it right. So I did not pursue the wax path once I figured out I lucked-up and had just stumbled on to a good shop that first time. In short if the shop looks like cheap shit they will fuck ya and take yer money...

I think you're spot on about the inadequate equipment being used. I was searching for information about how effective it would be to laser scalp hair. Apparently, many guys have tried this, and failed, and eventually, some of them discovered that they needed a very specific type of laser set at a very high setting. I think it was on a forum called Set Search Parameters

 

[BBC3]

I think you're spot on about the inadequate equipment being used. I was searching for information about how effective it would be to laser scalp hair. Apparently, many guys have tried this, and failed, and eventually, some of them discovered that they needed a very specific type of laser set at a very high setting. I think it was on a forum called Set Search Parameters

Yea which was what I was trying to convey. I think there is a very general laser type they simply refer to as LPL type operation and those are generally the poorest performing.

What inspired me to finally bust a big nickel back ten years ago and give laser a try was the main game in my town was advertising the high tech "Green Laser". Thats something I had only seen when living in Houston and all the hi tech body shops they had. So when I moved back east I noted a plastic surgeon in town was now running one of the upscale type body shops in addition to his regular plastic options. You know doing all the added Roman bullshit right down to "coolSculpting"...

The irony in the end was they told me they had never used the Green laser on me and were sticking with the red laser for me. I think I gathered the green was for more closely graded skin-to-hair pigment folks (Dark hair/dark skin too).. But anyways they were like no we are using the other one on you...

AGAIN, and emphasizing, the key to hair removal via laser is the NM WAVELENGTH of the laser pulse. As well as the quality of the equipment.

And CERTAINLY, you will have your less than scrupulous vendors which simply intend to set you up for a return visit.. Sad but true... Cause I am here to tell you 7 sessions did considerable damage to my body hair collection it was like a no brainer. It just worked. The long and short is that my only concern was what it might also be doing to my red blood cells working a large area like back and shoulders for an hour straight.

If I had to offer any good advice I would simply suggest anyone undergoing laser hair removal treatments should be actively countering it with high grade anti-oxidants like CoQ10, vit C, B, and maybe even some SAM-E...

I will lastly offer I never did any of that mitigation practice as it all happened so fast and I was also younger and could give a shit. I will also say that I never felt better during those sessions. And perhaps even if anything, whatever laser they were using on me might have even been good for my blood. I might like to try laser again now that I am watching blood closer and mitigation with some blood donations and see how reds are truly effected...