Anyone help me out please

[crazypaver1]

i have made 50ml test eth twice now and both time i got about 53ml instead of 50 can anyone help? heres what calculations i was using gained from basskiller.com

oil - 26.88ml
powder - 17.5g
BA - 1ml
BB - 9ml

 

[Bill Roberts]

i have made 50ml test eth twice now and both time i got about 53ml instead of 50 can anyone help? heres what calculations i was using gained from basskiller.com

oil - 26.88ml
powder - 17.5g
BA - 1ml
BB - 9ml

It's not clear to me exactly how much volume the steroid itself contributes. I personally have never measured it because I didn't consider it of particular importance -- a small difference would make only a very small difference in the final preparation -- and used an estimated value of it probably taking up about 1 mL per gram. I've seen that others have used 0.75 mL per gram and perhaps they did measure it, so let's use that although it seems surprisingly low to me, and then for fun also use my guess.

At the 0.75 mL contribution per gram, we get 17.5 mL contributed by the steroid. Add in the oil, BA, and BB and we get an expected 50 mL. So most likely you used a calculator using this value.

Using my guess, we get 17.5 mL contributed by the steroid, and an expected total of 54.38 mL.

Which fits your findings a little better.

We actually don't know that the fellow putting out the 0.75 value is correct. I do find it almost shockingly low as an expectation of how much volume the steroid would contribute.

Incidentally, if a method errs by assuming the steroid takes up more volume than it does, then this gives you a more concentrated final product than expected, so you err on the side of dosing a little higher than planned. But if the method errs by assuming less volume is taken up by the steroid than is actually the case, then you end up with a slightly less concentrated preparation than expected.

Anyway, you have little to worry about, because even if your 17.5 g ended up in 53 mL instead of 50 mL, that's 330 (!) mg/mL which isn't exactly low concentration and is only 6% different than you expected, which isn't enough to be of much concern.

 

[crazypaver1]

Thankyou bill that was very helpfull indeed, so by what i read of you post i put less oil in, in this case 4.38ml less as thats about what im over, and by knowing that i know my powder weighs more that .75. do you have i decent calculator i can use? or do i just use the 1ml to 1g method? for test eth anyway?

 

[Bill Roberts]

I have always done it by one gram contributing an estimated 1 mL. It may not be exactly right, but any error that might exist is too small to be of importance.

However, where someone has been using a formula that has worked well for him before, then there is no reason to go and change from that formula.

For extremely high concentration formulas such as this one, it might be the case that 350 mg/mL wouldn't have dissolved anyway. I don't know, as I don't try for extreme concentrations.

You might just see how you like this and if you do, then next time do it the same way, and consider yourself an individualist for using 330 mg/mL instead of the units-of-50 that everyone else pretty much insists on using.

I mean really, if 200 mg/mL is okay and so is 250, then why wouldn't for example 220 or 230 be nice concentrations as well? But people don't see it this way. That though is only an aside

Anyway, point being, if the 330 works well for you, why not stick with it rather than try "improving" the formula by probably-more-accurately accounting for volume of steroid, but as a result perhaps getting a concentration that doesn't hold.

Also, from the standpoint of round numbers, 330 gives you almost a round 1000 mg per 3 mL, which might be convenient, unless worrying overmuch about the "missing" 10 mg.

 

[crazypaver1]

well its made now and 330mg/nl looks like its going t o have to be, thankyou bill, also can i ask what formuler you used to find the strength of the 54ml being 330mg/ml? just so i know and caqn use myself in the future. Thanks again

 

[Bill Roberts]

Using your figure of 53 mL, and having 17.5 grams of steroid (which is 17500 mg, you multiply by 1000 to get the mg), dividing the 17500 mg by 53 mL gives 330 mg/mL.

 

[Monkey72]

One thing I do now is take a few 20 ml syriinges with 18 ga needles and suck up the hormone powder, BA and BB to measure how much it is (you could also use a sterilized graduated cylinder). Once you do that, just figure out the oil to get the right amount to add. If you notice with the hormone powder calcs, changing the hormone value does not change BA and BB since they are for the TOTAL desired volume. So, just vary the oil amount once you determine the above volume and you're golden.

PS - ditch the 20 ml syringes after you use them...BA is nasty shit...

 

[crazypaver1]

Thanks alot lads, i have another problem now, before i made these 5botles i made 30ml to test but once made i only got 27or28 ml, now i have tried half a ml of one of them bottles 2 times and get alot of pain from it both times, alot more than i should, what could this be? i have not tried the others at the calculation i have put above so maybe they will be ok as 4ml over means less than the 2% stated. but the 27ml will have more than 2% due to not enough oil, is that enough BA to cause that much pain? or uis it cos its 350mg/mg of JUST test e? if any of that doesnt make sense just say and i can try and explain again lol Thanks.

 

[crazypaver1]

apparently its due to acidity in the powder itself, anyone have any information regarding this? thanks

 

[crazypaver1]

Bump!