Another cycling PED line-up with a twist

[friedsquash]

So I race, but online, every Sunday, for decent money (in a month I can easily make a few thousand EU for an hour of my time per week). Races are about an hour long, typically ending in a climb that can range from 6 to 15 minutes, and once in a while a 30-60 minute one. In order to compete with some of these women, I'm looking to try to hit impossible numbers, without PEDs that is. The top three are pushing 6.5wkg for 5 minutes and close to 6wkg for 20 minutes. There are suspicions of some hardware tinkering for a few individuals, but in general I believe it comes down to be willing to practice some hardcore weight manipulation strategies, which I struggle to want to attempt, and PEDs. Odd that I don't want to fuck my system up by trying to drop 3+ kg every Saturday, but am all aboard the PED train. But here we are!

Because all this data can be found online and it would be fairly simple to find out which racer I am by tracking the data, I'm going to keep it limited. I'm female, hover near-ish 60kg and not willing to go lower (last time I did I devolved in every aspect of my life), middle-aged and have been training off and on for 10 years (minus growing and having kids in between), I train 12-14 hours a week with a coach who has gotten me to new heights I had never imagined before. I'm maxing out around 4.5wkg for 20 minutes and 5.5 for 5. I've been testing out a few supplements/PEDs recently, so far what I've liked and am sticking with:

Test 2mg EOD
Hgh 4IU nightly
L-Carn injectable 300mg daily pre-workout
SLU-PP 332 300mcg daily pre-workout
Cialis 10mg daily pre-workout
Then my basic (approved) supplements: L-tyrosine, L-citrulline, taurine, beta alanine, creatine, and sodium bicarb (only on hard training days or race day) I can only tolerate about 10g GI-wise I'm fine but I get a massive headache before the end of the race if I go over 10g

I've been on this stack for 8 weeks now and am feeling great, nailing workouts and am generally very happy and motivated, but no PRs or anything yet. I can say HR in training, especially zone 2 is quite a bit lower and feels incredibly easy.

Sooooo, I added cardarine 10mg daily last Tuesday, and OMG, by Thursday I was hitting PRs and got a race PR this past Sunday race (placebo? IDK...). I call it a race PR since it was at the end of chasing idiots on a virtual course then a 5 minute wkg test. I think fresh I could hit a new true PR. I honestly am not sure how long I should run cardarine, initially I was thinking 4 weeks, but now I'm worried I'm going to love how strong I am on it then not want to get off at all.

Now to my question: what can I add or take away from this? Length of cardarine cycle? Of note, I have a weird mental aversion to EPO, so I'm not trying that (yet)

Oh bloods: cholesterol is great across the board. Bilirubin is high (it's been high since I had some children, not sure why)
Hgb: 12.5
Hct: 38.8
Ferritin: 33
IGF: 211
Test (pre-test supplementation): 23
Free test: 2.3

 

[IndividualMan]

up the SLU, 300 mcg to 20-50mg/day at least. 300mcg aint shit. 10 mg cialis is aight, L-Carn could be higher, but the PIP can be bad for performance. 14mgs of test / week is a bit on the higher side for a woman, so be wary of viralizing side effects (drop to 1mg/day or lower if you get the first signs of clit swelling, if you drop it early you wont get significant enlargement)
As for cardarine, be wary of potential carcinogenicity. do not use it during periods of time during which you are not financially rewarded for the additional performance. Cardarine works great, but it can definitely have nasty side effects (new skin tags growing, tumors, etc.)

 

[friedsquash]

up the SLU, 300 mcg to 20-50mg/day at least. 300mcg aint shit. 10 mg cialis is aight, L-Carn could be higher, but the PIP can be bad for performance. 14mgs of test / week is a bit on the higher side for a woman, so be wary of viralizing side effects (drop to 1mg/day or lower if you get the first signs of clit swelling, if you drop it early you wont get significant enlargement)
As for cardarine, be wary of potential carcinogenicity. do not use it during periods of time during which you are not financially rewarded for the additional performance. Cardarine works great, but it can definitely have nasty side effects (new skin tags growing, tumors, etc.)

I've considered upping the SLU but haven't been using it for long so I was applying the low and slow method. The L-carn PIP is finally getting better so I can start moving up on it soon too. My test is 2mg every other day, so on average 7mg/week which is effectively what you're saying. I'm taking test-c which has a longer halflife from what I've read, but I'm still new to this.

I kind of hate that I introduced cardarine because it's kind of mind-blowing the difference I'm noticing. I'm hoping some is placebo...

Racing is every Sunday, non stop, just throwing money at us. I take breaks, but it's really just whenever I want or if I don't like the courses. I have much better short power than long power compared to these women, so many climbs over 15 minutes I usually don't even play.

 

[Photon]

I kind of hate that I introduced cardarine because it's kind of mind-blowing the difference I'm noticing. I'm hoping some is placebo...

Cardarine definitely works.
It scares me too, the increased risk of cancer..

 

[IndividualMan]

I've considered upping the SLU but haven't been using it for long so I was applying the low and slow method. The L-carn PIP is finally getting better so I can start moving up on it soon too. My test is 2mg every other day, so on average 7mg/week which is effectively what you're saying. I'm taking test-c which has a longer halflife from what I've read, but I'm still new to this.

I kind of hate that I introduced cardarine because it's kind of mind-blowing the difference I'm noticing. I'm hoping some is placebo...

Racing is every Sunday, non stop, just throwing money at us. I take breaks, but it's really just whenever I want or if I don't like the courses. I have much better short power than long power compared to these women, so many climbs over 15 minutes I usually don't even play.

cardarine is anything but placebo. however, it decreases maximum output in larger people ( anecdotally) and inreaces the chance of developing cancer.
if you are well off already, I would avoid long term cardarine use. just use it in preparation for especially profitable races. if the money is good enough, look into high dose SubL AICAR directly before/during races, maybe injectable AICAR as well. It works as well, not as mindblowingly great as cardarine, but definitely good enough to justify use. maybe you can get some raw powders from china later this year (when shipping is reestablished) and try it out

 

[friedsquash]

cardarine is anything but placebo. however, it decreases maximum output in larger people ( anecdotally) and inreaces the chance of developing cancer.
if you are well off already, I would avoid long term cardarine use. just use it in preparation for especially profitable races. if the money is good enough, look into high dose SubL AICAR directly before/during races, maybe injectable AICAR as well. It works as well, not as mindblowingly great as cardarine, but definitely good enough to justify use. maybe you can get some raw powders from china later this year (when shipping is reestablished) and try it out

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the drugs I have but am not currently using: I do have some AICAR injectable. The issue is I haven't found much information on dosing for it. I also have ITPP, mots-c, NAD+, 5 amino, SS 31, stanozolol, primo and NPP. But haven't tried any of them yet.

I'm interested in bemethyl, but read it doesn't pair with L-carn and I love my L-carn...

So maybe I just drop the cardarine after two weeks and hopefully it doesn't having me flying too close to the sun. Do you know how long the benefits of cardarine last? I suppose I'll find out soon enough at least.

 

[Photon]

I have never heard of bemethyl but it sounds amazing..paging for @Nidus @bossetti , have u heard of it?

 

[friedsquash]

I have never heard of bemethyl but it sounds amazing..paging for @Nidus, have u heard of it?There's rhat

I believe it'll pair well with the mitochondrial boosting drugs, and meldonium is another it pairs well with. But you can't have L-carn competing with it, allegedly. I don't understand that part quite.

 

[IndividualMan]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the drugs I have but am not currently using: I do have some AICAR injectable. The issue is I haven't found much information on dosing for it. I also have ITPP, mots-c, NAD+, 5 amino, SS 31, stanozolol, primo and NPP. But haven't tried any of them yet.

I'm interested in bemethyl, but read it doesn't pair with L-carn and I love my L-carn...

So maybe I just drop the cardarine after two weeks and hopefully it doesn't having me flying too close to the sun. Do you know how long the benefits of cardarine last? I suppose I'll find out soon enough at least.

hands off the primo, NPP and winstrol. that stuff will make you grow a weiner. (except VERY low dose primo maybe, that might be beneficial)

As for the AICAR: high dose. high dose good dose. SubL is better for competetive cycling tho, because you avoid PIP.

cardarine benefits: the short term benefits last as long as you take it. there are long term benefits, because you MAKE NEW BLOOD VESSELS. those stay, because the new blood vessels stay.

5AM1MQ, SS31, Mots-c, are not that great for cycling. good maybe, beneficial, yeah, but not great.

 

[Photon]

As for the AICAR: high dose. high dose good dose. SubL is better for competetive cycling tho, because you avoid PIP.

Most vendors are selling at 50mg/vial which people are reporting that it doesn't seem to be much. How much do you recommend?

I see raws..200$/10g, thats 100 shots of 100mg i guess.
From what i googled you need pretty high doses..like 500mg, not sure if thats oral or injectable either..

 

[friedsquash]

hands off the primo, NPP and winstrol. that stuff will make you grow a weiner. (except VERY low dose primo maybe, that might be beneficial)

As for the AICAR: high dose. high dose good dose. SubL is better for competetive cycling tho, because you avoid PIP.

cardarine benefits: the short term benefits last as long as you take it. there are long term benefits, because you MAKE NEW BLOOD VESSELS. those stay, because the new blood vessels stay.

5AM1MQ, SS31, Mots-c, are not that great for cycling. good maybe, beneficial, yeah, but not great.

Can you tell I'm listing off drugs my husband cycles through? Ha!

I'll have to shop around for sublingual AICAR. I didn't even know that existed! I'll run through my injectable one first. Maybe I'll just do a third of the vial and see what happens. I have a handful of vials, probably enough for a couple weeks.

So next question, sort of philosophical...how many supplements is TOO many supplements?!

 

[friedsquash]

Most vendors are selling at 50mg/vial which people are reporting that it doesn't seem to be much. How much do you recommend?

I see raws..200$/10g, thats 100 shots of 100mg i guess.
From what i googled you need pretty high doses..like 500mg, not sure if thats oral or injectable either..

I read 25mg daily for up to two weeks. So seven vials would be needed in that case. I was considering just doing 10mg and see what happens, but still debating it. 10mg for me is quite a bit different than your average male athlete taking this too, so it may be enough.

 

[IndividualMan]

Can you tell I'm listing off drugs my husband cycles through? Ha!

I'll have to shop around for sublingual AICAR. I didn't even know that existed! I'll run through my injectable one first. Maybe I'll just do a third of the vial and see what happens. I have a handful of vials, probably enough for a couple weeks.

So next question, sort of philosophical...how many supplements is TOO many supplements?!

too many is when you feel like all you do is take drugs all day.
As for the AICAR, buy powder, add DMSO, put like half a gram under your tongue. the effects should last right around the duration of the race.

 

[friedsquash]

too many is when you feel like all you do is take drugs all day.
As for the AICAR, buy powder, add DMSO, put like half a gram under your tongue. the effects should last right around the duration of the race.

Ohhhhhh, okay, on it! Thank you for the advice.

If I can crack the top 5 consistently and get myself on a better team for the monthly finals I could consistently be bringing in some extra funds. This Sunday side gig has already funded a pretty amazing vacation for the family. I want more of that!

 

[Nidus]

I have never heard of bemethyl but it sounds amazing..paging for @Nidus @bossetti , have u heard of it?

Came across it a few times through some peptide shops, its an old drug from russia to increase performance but i am pretty sure that there is much better stuff out there just for endurance alone

 

[friedsquash]

Came across it a few times through some peptide shops, its an old drug from russia to increase performance but i am pretty sure that there is much better stuff out there just for endurance alone

I have a plan where I am going to rotate onto that, meldonium, and AICAR after I drop the cardarine (and L-carn) next week.

I'll keep you all updated. I doubt I'll be pushing the numbers I have been this week, but it won't stop me from trying.

 

[bossetti]

I have a plan where I am going to rotate onto that, meldonium, and AICAR after I drop the cardarine (and L-carn) next week.

I'll keep you all updated. I doubt I'll be pushing the numbers I have been this week, but it won't stop me from trying.

I didnt seen the tag by photon lol, imho the problem here is your hct...
Also these peptides i think are more marginal gains than other, the big gains are done with high hematocrit being stronger while not gaining weight and being as light as possible without loosing power also recovering from hard and long session asap
From what i seen aicar dose should he 0.5g daily

 

[bossetti]

Also meldonium imho impair fat oxidation so idk how it could improve performance

 

[friedsquash]

I didnt seen the tag by photon lol, imho the problem here is your hct...
Also these peptides i think are more marginal gains than other, the big gains are done with high hematocrit being stronger while not gaining weight and being as light as possible without loosing power also recovering from hard and long session asap
From what i seen aicar dose should he 0.5g daily

How do I get the hct up without EPO?

I dropped cardarine yesterday. Starting AICAR I think next week. I have a recovery week right now...I could do 0.5g, I think I have enough for a two week run.

Yeah, meldonium confuses me...but I bought some, so I figured why not FAFO. I'm going to run it with bemethyl after AICAR. I dropped L-carn a couple days ago too.

Now I'm wondering if my performance is going to plummet off a cliff these next two weeks.

 

[bossetti]

How do I get the hct up without EPO?

I dropped cardarine yesterday. Starting AICAR I think next week. I have a recovery week right now...I could do 0.5g, I think I have enough for a two week run.

Yeah, meldonium confuses me...but I bought some, so I figured why not FAFO. I'm going to run it with bemethyl after AICAR. I dropped L-carn a couple days ago too.

Now I'm wondering if my performance is going to plummet off a cliff these next two weeks.

I bought it from china but realized it was bunk, lol, keep ur ferritine and iron high and dont run high doses check hct regularly and u should be gtg dont do big doses its not safe and necessary btw u do so much money with zwift racing?