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[Sera]

Correct. Could be a very small chemical difference driving the large color difference as I mentioned before. The additional harm (or any harm) of this difference I don't know. Hence I was hopeful we could catch the identity of one or more of the new compounds detected in the dark vials.

It’s probably that the compounds are too similar to trenbolone (so the peaks that appear are too close to be distinguished by the current resolution) and maybe in too small quantities to be detected by the current gc ms setup which is optimised for a mixture of varying compounds (i.e various oils steroids etc) so is designed to have a broad ‘focus’ if you will.

 

[readalot]

Sample TRA-c heated to 120 deg C for 2 days (mixed with air). On top of what was already done.



I am awaiting more info from @janoshik on what additionally can be shared since we have not paid for any additional testing.

Thank you Peter for these extra efforts to identity conditions that would generate a color often seen in UG products. Herculean above and beyond. And this is starting from a clean control of pristine origin.

This generated color nails the vial that started all this for me.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

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Sweet IPA. Is the label from a source here. Looks familiar.

 

[Photon]

Sample TRA-c heated to 120 deg C for 2 days (mixed with air). On top of what was already done.

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I am awaiting more info from @janoshik on what additionally can be shared since we have not paid for any additional testing.

Thank you Peter for these extra efforts to identity conditions that would generate a color often seen in UG products. Herculean above and beyond. And this is starting from a clean control of pristine origin.

This generated color nails the vial that started all this for me.

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How are ugl vendors producing new batches which look like this? Maybe it's done on purpose? The saying is darker being more potent.

The thermal label is finally changing color, which means the vial was indeed hot enough, whereas previously it wasn't.

 

[Ateam2023]

Sample TRA-c heated to 120 deg C for 2 days (mixed with air). On top of what was already done.

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I am awaiting more info from @janoshik on what additionally can be shared since we have not paid for any additional testing.

Thank you Peter for these extra efforts to identity conditions that would generate a color often seen in UG products. Herculean above and beyond. And this is starting from a clean control of pristine origin.

This generated color nails the vial that started all this for me.

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so oxygen and heat caused this dark color, is this why ugl Tren is dark like this?

 

[Photon]

so oxygen and heat caused this dark color, is this why ugl Tren is dark like this?

I'm thinking its oxygen but heat accelerates the process. How quickly your sealed tren vials change color will then depend on the quality of the oil (peroxide value) and the temperature it's stored at.

 

[Tdeck81]

I’m not at all familiar with the brewing process, but 120 degrees Celsius for two days seems excessive. Do vendors typically brew at that high of a temp or is there any case where it would take two days to complete a batch?

If the answers to the above are no, then would that indicate vendors are using subpar “ingredients”, or at a minimum different compounds?

I’m not driving at anything specific but am purely interested on an acedemic level.

 

[Photon]

I’m not at all familiar with the brewing process, but 120 degrees Celsius for two days seems excessive. Do vendors typically brew at that high of a temp or is there any case where it would take two days to complete a batch?

If the answers to the above are no, then would that indicate vendors are using subpar “ingredients”, or at a minimum different compounds?

I’m not driving at anything specific but am purely interested on an acedemic level.

Most brews can be done at 50c or less and I don't think anyone brews for hours. Highest I've used was 70c for test and tren base.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Most brews can be done at 50c or less and I don't think anyone brews for hours. Highest I've used was 70c for test and tren base.

I will do test at 100. Mainly test C.



Depends on how fast I wanna brew it. The smoking point is alot higher than that.


Technically you don't need heat for most of them. Just let us sit in there overnight and spin

 

[Ateam2023]

I’m not at all familiar with the brewing process, but 120 degrees Celsius for two days seems excessive. Do vendors typically brew at that high of a temp or is there any case where it would take two days to complete a batch?

If the answers to the above are no, then would that indicate vendors are using subpar “ingredients”, or at a minimum different compounds?

I’m not driving at anything specific but am purely interested on an acedemic level.

i think imo , some of these chinese ugl are using subpar carrier oils.

 

[readalot]

so oxygen and heat caused this dark color, is this why ugl Tren is dark like this?

Remember these results are for a very pristine, low color raw. 100% TRA.

So for this raw the answer is yes.

If the raw starts with alot of color then the color of the finished product could be due in larger part to the color of the raw.

This is a strength of this project. We isolated the source of dark color in finished product to temperature and O2 (apparently) for a low color, high purity raw.

 

[Photon]

i think imo , some of these chinese ugl are using subpar carrier oils.

I think they're using a blend of MCT plus some vegetable oil, based off Janos testing. Only Q seems to use pure MCT but of course quality is unknown.

 

[Tdeck81]

Most brews can be done at 50c or less and I don't think anyone brews for hours. Highest I've used was 70c for test and tren base.

Right I was thinking cooking too hot and smoking the oil or ingredients to get it finished faster, but to do it that excessively doesn’t really add up to me. I know oils have different smoke points so maybe cheaper/inferior oils? If you receive a new dark vial or old stock?

Just trying to get my head around what would be reasonable as far as explanations

 

[readalot]

Is the label from a source here. Looks familiar.

Label anonymized. Lots of sources that look like this or worse as you know.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Label anonymized. Lots of sources that look like this or worse as you know.

Referring to the vial laid sideways

 

[Tdeck81]

Another quick question…if using a lower purity raw but at a higher dose to compensate, is the color effected?

 

[Photon]

Another quick question…if using a lower purity raw but at a higher dose to compensate, is the color effected?

Depends on the color of the impurities. You could maybe make it lighter if you add dye of some sort I guess, which makes it less pure.

 

[readalot]

Referring to the vial laid sideways

Yeah just did it like that to show more of the oil without pulling label.

 

[Tdeck81]

Depends on the color of the impurities. You could maybe make it lighter if you add dye of some sort I guess, which makes it less pure.

Got ya, I see your point…anything (color) can be manipulated if you have the expertise. I assume most of you guys with the manufacturing experience are well past the speculation end of things.

Ultimately the testing backs the blueprint, process and products utilized, for a clean finished compound. I’m guessing he next steps would be testing darker tren to do comparative analysis? Is lighter actually cleaner/less contaminated?

 

[Ateam2023]

Yeah just did it like that to show more of the oil without pulling label.

i knew you were a "label whore".