I'm back at it.. Tren A. input?

[LifeSize]

I want to brew 50mg/mL Tren Ace.

I have 4g of Fina pellets, Benzyl Alc, Benzyl Benz, Grape Seed oil...

I'm looking to use a ratio of 2/10 for the BA/BB and however much grape seed oil I need.

2mL BA, 10mL BB, 80-88mL GSO??

I'm no chemist, and my math is pretty shitty.. I know how to do this with a 4g kit and a couple boxes of pellets but this is my first attempt at a totally kit free brew. I don't want to use more BB because I've heard it's not that great for you in the long run and isn't needed for a low concentration such as 50mg/mL.

 

[bdg77]

Yeah I'm not sure if you need that much BB. From what I understand it's more of a preservative rather than a solvent. I prefer to stick with kits and pay someone more knowledgable than myself to do the thinkin'. It might help to know if you're starting with pellets or clean powder.

 

[bdg77]

Never mind that last post. So basically a 4g kit is going to have 5ml magic dissolving solution. I accually measured it for some reason last time and it was more like 8ml. A mistake, or compensation for anticipated evaporation. Don't know, but I could see how you could lose some BA by evaporation. Heating the oil and stuff prefiltering and then if you sterilize it in an oven. Never thought about it until just now. Thats the beauty of a kit, and why I'll stick with the magic stuff.

 

[eazy]

When I used to brews, I always used BB but I always dosed mine between 100-200mg/ml. Google steroid calculator, it makes doing the math easier.

 

[eazy]

Also, if your batch were to crash without BB, you could always fix it later, as long as you havn't bottled them already...

 

[LifeSize]

Anyone have a site to order BA/BB etc from?

 

[test_icle]

Keep the links for the pm's please.

 

[mmafighter170]

I didnt even know their were still sites that sold kits, I personally wouldnt bother with a kit if you have your BA and BB your good to go. Ive made tren numerous time, have even did the tren crystals conversion several times which provided a much more accurate dosed product.

for 4g's you'll need the following
1.6 BA
14.4BB
61 grapeseed oil

 

[eazy]

Anyone have a site to order BA/BB etc from?

Why would you ask this question in public forum? Think about it, anyone to answer this question most likely gets it from there and is an idiot for responding... Unless of course they use china to get their solvents... Then it really doesn't matter.

 

[MR10X]

I treid the higher consentration of 100mg per ml but Bill Roberts said it wont work with tren pellets,it will only disolve and hold 50mg per ml and anything higher will not stay. i have done about 10 conversions with the pellets and using 3.4ml BB and .6ml BA with 16ml of oil produced 20ml of 50mg/ml of tren. What i do is use the 4ml of BA abd BB with 4 ml of oil to dissolve the pellets then add 10ml of oil to the dissolved solution and use the last 2ml of oil to flush the filter.I end up with 20ml of 50mg per ml of tren.

 

[MR10X]

Peptide Solvents

 

[Subterranean Gear]

Research Supply for the solvents.
Ignore the ass monkey's

 

[vpiedu]

crystal method is the only way to brew tren a. from pellets if you still have any. you can get 100mg/ml this way. PM me if you have any questions im glad to help.

VP

 

[Sworder]

I treid the higher consentration of 100mg per ml but Bill Roberts said it wont work with tren pellets,it will only disolve and hold 50mg per ml and anything higher will not stay. i have done about 10 conversions with the pellets and using 3.4ml BB and .6ml BA with 16ml of oil produced 20ml of 50mg/ml of tren. What i do is use the 4ml of BA abd BB with 4 ml of oil to dissolve the pellets then add 10ml of oil to the dissolved solution and use the last 2ml of oil to flush the filter.I end up with 20ml of 50mg per ml of tren.

I tried searching for Bill's statement but was unlucky to find it because he has too many posts to look through. Do you mind pointing me to the thread he stated this in??

 

[leoclaw79]

I tried searching for Bill's statement but was unlucky to find it because he has too many posts to look through. Do you mind pointing me to the thread he stated this in??

i could find a link on tnation i think but this is what he said for 4 grams of tren in pellets:
add 76 ml of wesson soybean oil to a container with the pellets in it. you could try to crush them and stir. he said to use a jewelry sonicator to help the tren dissolve in the oil and let it sit for a couple weeks if you want. he said that both BB and BA will dissolve the binder thats in the pellets, which is not desirable. this will yield about 80 mL of 50 mg tren/ml solution. after this step you filter the solution through a .45 micron filter. if you were to add BB before this step, it would make it a hell of a lot harder to filter due to clogging. because it is being filtered through a .45 micron filter, no bacteria will pass through. you dont even need BB or BA for this preparation he says...

 

[Sworder]

Yeah, but the revolutionary statement of anything higher than 50mg/ml when using pellets is what I am curious about. Considering that 50% (ballpark figure out of my ass) try to achieve as close to a 100mg/ml concentration means that everybody that has tried that has wasted half of their money trying to achieve something which is not achievable!

 

[leoclaw79]

Yeah, but the revolutionary statement of anything higher than 50mg/ml when using pellets is what I am curious about. Considering that 50% (ballpark figure out of my ass) try to achieve as close to a 100mg/ml concentration means that everybody that has tried that has wasted half of their money trying to achieve something which is not achievable!

very true. short esters arent very soluble compared to longer esters. and if one wanted to dose 75 mg a day with a 50 mg/ml solution they could just inject every 16 hours... so i feel like theres no reason to try to make anything higher than 50 mg/mL anyway especially if its a waste due to solubility haha.

 

[Sworder]

very true. short esters arent very soluble compared to longer esters. and if one wanted to dose 75 mg a day with a 50 mg/ml solution they could just inject every 16 hours... so i feel like theres no reason to try to make anything higher than 50 mg/mL anyway especially if its a waste due to solubility haha.

Or they could do 1.5ml/day Seems easier than going by the 16th hour. Yes, there is no reason to go higher than 50mg/ml if that is the highest concentrate that can be achieved from pellets.

 

[leoclaw79]

true haha

 

[vpiedu]

sorry to come back to this guys but i do visit from time to time and was initially going to let this go but it bothers me to have FALSE information on broadcast. its obvious neither of you have ever brewed any fina pellets and you cant even remember what and where you read something else. i will tell you right now from EXPERIENCE and no other opinion that making homebrew tren A from pellets you can get 100mg/ml easily. hardest part is taking your time and getting all of the tren separated from the cellulose in the beginning. now if you are making it and it is no good then you are the problem. i make 100mg/ml trenA that is badass and better than any UG tren on the market today period. not being a dick here guys but get it right and dont pass bad information esp in the homebrew section. if you have any questions like i said at the beginning of this post PM me i am glad to help.

VP