hcgfiend123456
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I gotta drop like 20lbs before I get back on test. Even pinning every day I was having all sorts of water retention and anxiety. Never experienced it before being at a lower BF%.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Running just TNE as a PW? No other drugs
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Flatriggerman
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Have you had blood panels done lately? 20lbs is not a big number. You shouldn't be having these issues 20lbs over. Are you using pharma Test? You possibly could be hyper responsive to test but the delta here doesn't make sense. Just my opinion.
hcgfiend123456
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I did have blood panels recently. I am using pharma test. I am hyper responsive to test. My E2 is almost double at the same dose but 30lbs heavier and about 7-8% higher BF.
Flatriggerman
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makes sense. your tolerances to get everything in line are tight.
hellerhiwater
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hey those sympathy symptoms are real!! imo its just a testament to how much you're paying attn and how much you care about her that you joined her in the endeavor. much respect homie.
now im no expert, but as a fat fuck who aromatizes very minimally, and knowing irl mofos who are low bf that aromatize intensely, idk that id put too much faith in weight loss changing that.
there is obviously evidence that fatties like me DO aromatize more heavily, im just saying you might remain a heavy aromatizer and then you avoided taking the life-enhancing trt for no real reason.
heavy aromatization at physiological doses also doesnt have to mean super high estrogen a lot of the time, and aromatase inhibitors are a thing as well.
personally, ive read a lot about tne and its half life. from as low as 2 hours to as high as 24. there is a noticeable "peak" around 3-6 hours post injection, and i cant really tell when anything else happens, just the peak. it also burns like hell going in, and always leaves a lump for me.
sorry i know this isnt answering your question at all. but my point is that fatties are prescribed trt all the time. you might reevaluate your choice to avoid it and just adjust the dose and ai protocol to accommodate the concerns you have.
hcgfiend123456
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Interesting take. There may be some validity to what you are saying. The only reason I cling to hope with losing weight is because the first year I was on TRT I did not experience these symptoms.
IndividualMan
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Just take the Arimidex, man.
"but I didnt need it in the beginning"
I also didnt need BP meds until I had high BP. Now I do, so I take them. simple as. No reason to make yourself suffer because "in the past i could do it without these meds"
arimidex allows you to raise aromatase a bit quicker when discontinuing it/ lowerig the dose, plus its cheaper so I would go with that.
I beg you, just pin the test, bro. TNE is fun, but it gets old quick if you do it 5x/week for months. You dont want to ruin one of the best PWO compounds for yourself just because you dont wanna run an AI.
Make it easy for yourself, make it enjoyable for yourself. No coping, no overthinking. No overcomplicating.
also, congrats on the wife and kid, man.
"but I didnt need it in the beginning"
I also didnt need BP meds until I had high BP. Now I do, so I take them. simple as. No reason to make yourself suffer because "in the past i could do it without these meds"
arimidex allows you to raise aromatase a bit quicker when discontinuing it/ lowerig the dose, plus its cheaper so I would go with that.
I beg you, just pin the test, bro. TNE is fun, but it gets old quick if you do it 5x/week for months. You dont want to ruin one of the best PWO compounds for yourself just because you dont wanna run an AI.
Make it easy for yourself, make it enjoyable for yourself. No coping, no overthinking. No overcomplicating.
also, congrats on the wife and kid, man.
hcgfiend123456
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You are a good salesman lol
IndividualMan
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I just want to see the world be a better place
(more responsible people on test)
How did you settle on the timing pre workout? I am still feeling my way with this.
Also, curious what's the carrier/s in your TNE?
Flatriggerman
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By reading other users experiences and my own. MIG 840.
IndividualMan
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812 and 840 can be timed a bit closer to your workout, with castor you can pin 1-2 hours preWO, depending on how long your lifts are
monster8912
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I mean if you dont wanna run test use some high stim pre if youre looking for a boost. Find some dmaa or ephedrine, combine with diet and crush your workouts until you are ready for test again.
IndividualMan
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holy panic attack + cold sweat.
monster8912
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What? Never experienced that lol just a happy focused intensity while training.
IndividualMan
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lucky you. DMAA fucks with me real bad. Worse than other amphetamines that are usually regarded as stronger.
hcgfiend123456
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Or some good ol' amphetamine!
monster8912
Member
Dang thats unfortunate! Yea dmaa pre's got me through a long ass deployment. Never was tired in the gym
It could be an interesting experiment/ data. Have never seen anything like it….but also have never looked. I’ve seen nasal T doesn’t effect the hpg axis as much due to the extra short half life. It also likely would be little pricey when it comes to labs
Get your baseline T, LH, FSH, E - ideally a couple times to have a more solid range
Start off with one TNE administration PWO 1 x week - then get subsequent labs to determine how much it affects the HPG axis.
Would be interesting to see what the rate of supression/recovery is vs frequency of use. Could it be used 1x a week or 2x week with little impact to your endogenous production? Or less sparingly like 2x a month . ?
Note- although I say it’s interesting, I also think it’s a little silly. Highly doubt it woukd have any impact on your progress. It would essentially just be taking drugs for the sake of taking drugs. If that help motivates you, then go for it. No judgement
Risking supression to have a little better performance in a singular workout…..but also not getting the sustained levels to get the recovery aspects. Idk.
Do the experiment!
Get your baseline T, LH, FSH, E - ideally a couple times to have a more solid range
Start off with one TNE administration PWO 1 x week - then get subsequent labs to determine how much it affects the HPG axis.
Would be interesting to see what the rate of supression/recovery is vs frequency of use. Could it be used 1x a week or 2x week with little impact to your endogenous production? Or less sparingly like 2x a month . ?
Note- although I say it’s interesting, I also think it’s a little silly. Highly doubt it woukd have any impact on your progress. It would essentially just be taking drugs for the sake of taking drugs. If that help motivates you, then go for it. No judgement
Risking supression to have a little better performance in a singular workout…..but also not getting the sustained levels to get the recovery aspects. Idk.
Do the experiment!
Andrewthatguy
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Me personally, I would not pin any ester of Tren pre workout (I work out in the evening after work). I get trensomnia bad as it is pinning in the morning, I’d probably struggle even harder with sleeping doing it in the afternoon or evening.
