Tren night sweats and stink defeated

[xrayphoton13]

This is kinda funny bc I've been running tren ace the past few weeks and was wondering why no sweats. I assumed it was the ace since last time I sweat so much I was running tren enanthate. But I've been taking 400mg mag glycinate right before bed too. Maybe there's something to this!? I'd have to try tren e again and see if my sweats are really gone

 

[Deadpool99]

This is kinda funny bc I've been running tren ace the past few weeks and was wondering why no sweats. I assumed it was the ace since last time I sweat so much I was running tren enanthate. But I've been taking 400mg mag glycinate right before bed too. Maybe there's something to this!? I'd have to try tren e again and see if my sweats are really gone

I swear no amount of research led me to this conclusion, but my god this forum is just special.

 

[AlexDavis43]

too much of a pussy to try lowering it to 200 incase sweats get worse

you get no judgment from me about being a pussy when it comes to mag supps, we're all going by feelz because the evidence quality is very poor

I actually think Glycinate is superior to both L-Threonate and pidolate. I believe Threonate (Magtein) is just patented, so media and market are pushing it to get better margins, I think it's like 10x higher compared to glycinate.

Yeah Magtein is the branded ingredient, but mag threonate: 1) had better brain penetration in a rat study; and 2) there was a study published in Cell (iirc) that showed threonate had an important role in getting Mg into the brain (and I think brain Mg might be important in this context)

I actually think Glycinate is superior to both L-Threonate and pidolate

glycinate, threonate, and pidolate are better than oxalate, and I doubt the differences in the former 3 are very meaningful (we might disagree on glycinate being superior given the rat study, but no human studies to compare)

 

[Deadpool99]

you get no judgment from me about being a pussy when it comes to mag supps, we're all going by feelz because the evidence quality is very poor



Yeah Magtein is the branded ingredient, but mag threonate: 1) had better brain penetration in a rat study; and 2) there was a study published in Cell (iirc) that showed threonate had an important role in getting Mg into the brain (and I think brain Mg might be important in this context)



glycinate, threonate, and pidolate are better than oxalate, and I doubt the differences in the former 3 are very meaningful (we might disagree on glycinate being superior given the rat study, but no human studies to compare)

understandable to just clarify my take a little more clearly,

Glycinate:

consistently high absorption, GI tolerance, and raises serum magnesium in multiple RCTs. So seems like best all-around form.

Threonate:
- based on one 2010 Neuron rat study showing higher brain Mg.
- Human data were just a few small, company-funded trials (sleep, memory). No proof it actually raises brain Mg in humans; tiny effect sizes, poor Mg yield, and just more expensive.

Pidolate:
I think this is an older European form used for cramps/migraines. Good absorption but couldn't find any data showing superiority to glycinate.

 

[Deadpool99]

understandable to just clarify my take a little more clearly,

Glycinate:

consistently high absorption, GI tolerance, and raises serum magnesium in multiple RCTs. So seems like best all-around form.

Threonate:
- based on one 2010 Neuron rat study showing higher brain Mg.
- Human data were just a few small, company-funded trials (sleep, memory). No proof it actually raises brain Mg in humans; tiny effect sizes, poor Mg yield, and just more expensive.

Pidolate:
I think this is an older European form used for cramps/migraines. Good absorption but couldn't find any data showing superiority to glycinate.

These are my two cents no one asked for:

Also to add to the Threonate trials outside that one rat study.
All human Mg-threonate studies used the Magtein blend, not pure threonate. It was usually mixed with phosphatidylserine and other nootropic ingredients.
Because PS alone can improve memory, the trials can’t prove the effect came from threonate.
When PS is controlled for, the “cognitive boost” disappears.

So my conclusion so far: no independent, large, pure-Mg-threonate study exists, every human trial is small, sponsor-funded, and confounded.

 

[QuadFather]

how did all the other earlier bodybuilders like Arnold and others make it without lab work and today’s info on these supplements

 

[Deadpool99]

how did all the other earlier bodybuilders like Arnold and others make it without lab work and today’s info on these supplements

Think it’s a combination of:
In the “Arnold era” they probably used pharmacy-grade testosterone, nandrolone, Dianabol, and Primobolan.
I also believe they used way lower doses than rn, more clean, and consistent gear.

They relied more on diet, training, and genetics, and didn’t stack 6–10 compounds or run them year-round.

After the 90’s, 2000’s, AAS became controlled substances so pharma supply vanished.

UGLs introduced cheaper raws, poor filtration, and no sterility testing, so purity and consistency dropped sharply (impurities, endotoxins, heavy metals).

But I don’t think UGL/pharma was the biggest issue.

Today ppl run higher doses, more drugs, and dirtier gear. You got random ppl doing dnp while barley understanding it’s mechanisms.

Also Constant experimentation with thyroids and SARMs. Ppl look for shortcuts and blast year round.

 

[Deadpool99]

Think it’s a combination of:
In the “Arnold era” they probably used pharmacy-grade testosterone, nandrolone, Dianabol, and Primobolan.
I also believe they used way lower doses than rn, more clean, and consistent gear.

They relied more on diet, training, and genetics, and didn’t stack 6–10 compounds or run them year-round.

After the 90’s, 2000’s, AAS became controlled substances so pharma supply vanished.

UGLs introduced cheaper raws, poor filtration, and no sterility testing, so purity and consistency dropped sharply (impurities, endotoxins, heavy metals).

But I don’t think UGL/pharma was the biggest issue.

Today ppl run higher doses, more drugs, and dirtier gear. You got random ppl doing dnp while barley understanding it’s mechanisms.

Also Constant experimentation with thyroids and SARMs. Ppl look for shortcuts and blast year round.

I also think, and correct me if I’m wrong.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Franco Columbu, Frank Zane, Lou Ferrigno, all mentioned (i think in interviews) they used steroids only before contests and came off afterward.

I think they typically ran 6–12 week “preps” and stayed off most of the year. However don’t quote me on this

Dorian Yates also admitted he cycled on and off, saying, “We didn’t stay on all year, we did proper time off.”

Lee Priest also said a couple of times he ran a few months on, then came completely off with PCT (HCG, Clomid, Nolvadex).

Flex Wheeler & Kevin Levrone: both have mentioned cycling off entirely and losing size before building back up for a show.

 

[Deadpool99]

I also think, and correct me if I’m wrong.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Franco Columbu, Frank Zane, Lou Ferrigno, all mentioned (i think in interviews) they used steroids only before contests and came off afterward.

I think they typically ran 6–12 week “preps” and stayed off most of the year. However don’t quote me on this

Dorian Yates also admitted he cycled on and off, saying, “We didn’t stay on all year, we did proper time off.”

Lee Priest also said a couple of times he ran a few months on, then came completely off with PCT (HCG, Clomid, Nolvadex).

Flex Wheeler & Kevin Levrone: both have mentioned cycling off entirely and losing size before building back up for a show.

Its fucking crazy how good their physiques were looking back at how they approached bodybuilding vs now.

 

[QuadFather]

I dont believe that they only get on just months prior competition

or insanely low doses

I may be a dumbass but I believe they were giving bad advice to stay ahead purposely lying so they look better and bigger than others

 

[Deadpool99]

I dont believe that they only get on 2 months prior

or insanely low doses

I may be a dumbass but I believe they were giving bad advice to stay ahead purposely lying so they look the best and bigger cmon now

I think the same, arnold seems like a big ass liar. However I do somewhat trust the latter like lee priest and kevin.

 

[Deadpool99]

Hahahahahhahah did you say Lee ? That bodybuilder who’s only done tren one time in his life and had tren cough and quit saying never again and only uses 5mg dbol

Controversial af but idm, I think I get fooled by the accent. Since I was a kid, that accent. Sucker for it

 

[AlexDavis43]

All human Mg-threonate studies used the Magtein blend, not pure threonate. It was usually mixed with phosphatidylserine and other nootropic ingredients.

False

Guys you should really double check ChatGPT results

understandable to just clarify my take a little more clearly,

Glycinate:

consistently high absorption, GI tolerance, and raises serum magnesium in multiple RCTs. So seems like best all-around form.

Threonate:
- based on one 2010 Neuron rat study showing higher brain Mg.
- Human data were just a few small, company-funded trials (sleep, memory). No proof it actually raises brain Mg in humans; tiny effect sizes, poor Mg yield, and just more expensive.

Pidolate:
I think this is an older European form used for cramps/migraines. Good absorption but couldn't find any data showing superiority to glycinate.

 

[Deadpool99]

False

Yeah my bad. Apologies guys.

I was basing my search on pre 2022, when I decided to take my magnesium. I didn’t know there were newer ones as per last yr. I’ll have to read up on them.

Thanks for pointing that out

 

[AlexDavis43]

Yeah my bad. Apologies guys.

I was basing my search on pre 2022, when I decided to take my magnesium. I didn’t know there were newer ones as per last yr. I’ll have to read up on them.

Thanks for pointing that out

2022 Hewlings, 2022 Zhang, and 2022 Hausenblaus

 

[Deadpool99]

Also update on day 2 on mag/multi/taurine:

my night sweats are just basically the same as when I was natural. It didn’t affect my sleep. Actually I got too much sleep.

 

[sneak007]

I've been on magnesium for years and still get the night sweats

 

[Deadpool99]

I've been on magnesium for years and still get the night sweats

Day 3, no night sweats.
Only sweats I'm getting are my natural mild sweats cuz my blanket is thick af. Sleep not getting interrupted at all

I will man up and use 200mg magnesium tonight, why potentially waste money on extra magnesium when 400mg is already pushing y serum magnesium to the upper limit.

Hopefully I don't regret it

Edit: on second thought the "milk sweats" could just be my naturally thermogenesis from clen and t3 use during my current cut. So hopefully by next week when I stop, no sweats at all.

 

[Deadpool99]

Day 4 and final update. 250mg magnesium. 200mg (50 from my multi) did the job.

Last update and conclusion is that taurine/mag/multi helps alot with night sweats and all praises to the man himself @Thinkbig

 

[BigDadd7]

How much taurine?