Just Wrapped My First Cycle (Pics)

[adrenalytic]

1. It's a tip I picked up from ChatGPT that I just never looked into. I just plugged it back into ChatGPT and it tried to call it MY theory lol.

So there is some mechanistic overlap between the two that "in theory" could explain interference but no in vivo studies showing an interaction or blunting of the others effects. It probably fine to dose them together.

2. I didn't do so many shots in the beginning so I would do 5 more spread out at a time, making it easier to choose a different site the next time. I used my belly button as the focal point to remember haha. Like rotation 1 would be all shots 6 inches in a circumference around the bellybutton then rotation 2 would be 3 inches circumference or whatever measurement makes sense to you.

As I acclimated to the injections and they stung less I just did the 15 shot grid every time.

Or yes, you could attack the stomach one day then do inner thighs the next or titties the next, rotating like that. It's really to prevent irritating the skin too much. If you don't have a reaction don't worry so much about it.

3. Super easy. Just need some hyaluronic acid, distilled water, anti-microbial and the GHK-Cu of course.

4. Nah tret would be a great addition. I've been meaning to get some myself but all the Indian pharmas aren't shipping to the US still.

5. Yah, even if it doesn't help with skin remodeling it's still mandatory if I ever want to step on stage (haven't ruled it out yet).

6. The science on this seems to change every week. Right now it's trending as beneficial. 10 grams seems to be the sweet spot for skin benefits. But it's one of those things that occurs over long periods of time so most people throw it out of the supplement merry-go-round before it has a chance to shine. Also, the older you are the more benefit you will see. Don't listen to any 25 year old telling you it doesn't do shit. Well duh, you're in the prime of your life lol.

Here's a long study for when you're bored. Spoiler Ahead.

Conclusion:
The findings of this study revealed that HC supplementation can improve skin hydration and elasticity. In addition, the long-term use of collagen yields more favorable effects on skin hydration and elasticity than the short-term use of collagen. Nevertheless, large-scale randomized control trials are required to examine the clinical benefits of oral collagen supplements.


Effects of Oral Collagen for Skin Anti-Aging: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis - PMC

Holy shit, I just realised this you being natural (except the low dose GH?!) at 45.

Heh, yeah I've been working out for years. Just always been fat and natty. I wish I knew in my 20s that I was genetically built for this shit. I was too interested in partying and pussy.

 

[dinfar1337]

The findings of this study revealed that HC supplementation can improve skin hydration and elasticity. In addition, the long-term use of collagen yields more favorable effects on skin hydration and elasticity than the short-term use of collagen. Nevertheless, large-scale randomized control trials are required to examine the clinical benefits of oral collagen supplements.

you should defiently supplement collagen if you're not getting enough through your diet(pretty hard for since im picky and i think most people just dont focus on it at all)

especially with collagen synthesis upped from ghk-cu, hgh, testosterone etc.

i do 10mg a day of hydrolyzed collagen powder in my protein shake.

look for a collagen powder with glycine, proline, hydroxoproline and remember your vitamin c aswell you'll become a beautiful fucker.

 

[Banana Joe]

I wish I knew in my 20s that I was genetically built for this shit.

Tell me about it, it took me 20 years to realise that my genetics actually aren't terrible. Maybe even kinda decent!

1. Will need to investigate further, I assume they don't really work against each other, but that is just an uneducated guess.

2. I can already see myself coming up with a complicated circular grid pattern centering about the belly button, that I clock by x degree to cover the entire surface as evenly as possible, while allowing for the max amount of time for healing inbetween.

3. Sounds like even I can do that.

4. Just starting to figure on how to deal with those Indians. The Chinese take care of everything for you, but Indians apparently expect you to figure out the customs stuff yourself...

5. Since I lost the weight I can do a pretty decent vacuum, even though I never trained for it.

6. I read you need to take 20g for full effect, but who knows with that shit...

 

[adrenalytic]

6. I read you need to take 20g for full effect, but who knows with that shit...

According to the research, there was no further benefit to skin seen at higher dosages over 10 grams. That's not to say that higher dosages go to waste. There are other benefits for joints and injury healing and so on, just not for skin.

"Together, these findings suggest that 10 g/d of CP supplementation may be superior to a larger dose of 20 g/d, but both doses are better than nothing at all in improving physical function/ADLs, pain, mental component scores, and physical component scores in those supplementing for at least 6 months. "

Taken from this study:

Collagen peptides supplementation improves function, pain, and physical and mental outcomes in active adults - PMC

 

[Banana Joe]

How deep do you inject the GHK? What layer of the skin are you targeting?
Do you just inject like if it were HGH?

 

[adrenalytic]

How deep do you inject the GHK? What layer of the skin are you targeting?
Do you just inject like if it were HGH?

Just under the surface of the dermis. I use an injector pen. Great for small, frequent, water based injections.

Injector Pen

 

[Banana Joe]

Just under the surface of the dermis. I use an injector pen. Great for small, frequent, water based injections.

Injector Pen

Right under the dermis would 3-4mm, is that about right?

So when you say that you rotate, it can also mean that you inject 2 spots spaced 6" apart from each other, and then the next day, you inject the the one dot (and so on...) right inbetween them?
Would you mind to describe that process a bit more in general?

Sorry for being so pedantic with my questions, I just want to make sure I fully grasp what you are actually doing and how you do it, so I can replicate or adapt to my needs.

TIA!

 

[adrenalytic]

Right under the dermis would 3-4mm, is that about right?

More or less. Don't obsess over it. As long as it gets into the subcutaneous space you're fine. If you accidentally go IM you'll know it. It will hurt like hell for a few hours until it gets absorbed and you won't do it again lol.

So when you say that you rotate, it can also mean that you inject 2 spots spaced 6" apart from each other, and then the next day, you inject the the one dot (and so on...) right inbetween them?

Exactly.

Would you mind to describe that process a bit more in general?

Just don't inject into the same spot 2 days in a row unless you know you're not going to get a reaction (inflammation). Again, I wouldn't obsess over it. Just pay attention to your skin reaction. After my body got used to the presence of the increased copper and I no longer got redness at the injection site I stopped caring about this. I would inject in the same spot multiple days in a row with no adverse effects.

Sorry for being so pedantic with my questions, I just want to make sure I fully grasp what you are actually doing and how you do it, so I can replicate or adapt to my needs.

All good. I'm the same way. My recommendation is to just get started and adjust based on your own personal reaction to the peptide.

 

[Ateam2023]

Your right, the rollers are trash as their don't go straight in and out.
A mate of mine is obsessed with how he looks and recommend me the Dr. Pen Ultima M8. This is apparently the best at home needling device, if you don't get a beauty salon grade one. I absolutely trust his research on this, but feel free to find a better one.
It has been a while since I had looked into this but some results regarding loose skin (all were women AFAIR) looked very promising and they weren't achieved with much if any pharmacology.


Regarding the different points you mention:

1. I'd be curious if they actually interfere with each other, I'd rather do all my shots before bed. GH before bed is given for me, but I don't if I can myself to do the GHK shots every morning. I take as much as I can take in the evening as I am not a much of a morning person...

2. Am I reading this right, that you do 15x500mcg GHK injections each day?
So you pin that 3x3" dot pattern everyday on your stomach?
How do I rotate the sites then? Are talking about doing the stomach not everyday, but rotate between other areas with loose skin?

3. I would prefer making my own, as it seems easy to save quite a bit money there.

4.I thought about just adding tretinoin to a full body lotion, as I have pretty dry skin anyway. I read some are doing that, or are there arguments against this?

5. Interesting, would have never thought about it, but it could be combined with the vacuum training I always want to start.

6. Some say that Collagen is useless, because it is just another source of amino acids. I am unsure what to believe in that regard. Anecdotally overaged women report getting better skin if taking it daily.



You're welcome. It feels like a different life by now, but I once dealt with stuff like this a lot more often.

i use a dr pen A10 ultra, 36 pins for my cartridges. Serums from S.Korea , high quality with stringent manufacturing process, not just some junk serums from Amazon,Definitely notice improved skin texture

 

[Banana Joe]

i use a dr pen A10 ultra, 36 pins for my cartridges. Serums from S.Korea , high quality with stringent manufacturing process, not just some junk serums from Amazon,Definitely notice improved skin texture

Would you mind elaborating more on your process?
Do you use the A10 and dip its needles into a GHK serum, or what kind of serums are you talking about? Or do needle and then apply the serum onto the areas where you had just needled?

I was asking about @adrenalytic's exact method, because I suspected it could also be done easier and perhaps more effectively with a micro-needler.

There's gotta be a way to further optimise all this for maximum efficiency!

 

[Ateam2023]

these different peptides/serums and collagen ampoules, you apply a little serum and work a small area at a time, you can adjust the depth of the needles, i mn at a "cosmetic level" .25 mm but you can do it at a "medical level" of 1.25 mm etc it really chews your skin up at a medical setting, i pummeled my face the first time and looked like a bloody pulp, it took several days for my face to heal, its really soothing at a cosmetic level though , its like tatooing "goodness" into your skin. You never want to "dry needle" your skin, imo You can pretty much mn anything i think, some mn Tretinoin cream etc,

 

[Banana Joe]

Thanks, looks like you went all in!
This looks a bit like my collection of growth promoting intramuscular oils, though they lack the nice labels and packaging.

You never want to "dry needle" your skin, imo You can pretty much mn anything i think, some mn Tretinoin cream etc,

Now that I am reading more about this - I don't even want to dry needle. I need ALL the serums! And Tretinoin, and whatever else I can micro inject.
Care to give me primer what serums I will want to have, and what S.Korean brands currently are the hottest?

I found the Dr Pen Hydra H5/6 devices. What do you think about them? They have a 3ml reservoir and are all digital!
Though the Hydras sadly only go up to 2mm of depth. For skin tightening of abdominal area that could be a bit shallow?!
Some other Dr. Pen go up to 3mm.

Why not put reconstituted GHK-CU into the reservoir? That would be killing multiple birds with one stone.

 

[Ateam2023]

Thanks, looks like you went all in!
This looks a bit like my collection of growth promoting intramuscular oils, though they lack the nice labels and packaging.


Now that I am reading more about this - I don't even want to dry needle. I need ALL the serums! And Tretinoin, and whatever else I can micro inject.
Care to give me primer what serums I will want to have, and what S.Korean brands currently are the hottest?

I found the Dr Pen Hydra H5/6 devices. What do you think about them? They have a 3ml reservoir and are all digital!
Though the Hydras sadly only go up to 2mm of depth. For skin tightening of abdominal area that could be a bit shallow?!
Some other Dr. Pen go up to 3mm.

Why not put reconstituted GHK-CU into the reservoir? That would be killing multiple birds with one stone.

oh yes those hydra pens are the ones, it literally dispenses the serum so you don't waste it, they are quite pricey though, But so is all skin care it seems, this is an expensive rabbit hole.

 

[Ateam2023]

Thanks, looks like you went all in!
This looks a bit like my collection of growth promoting intramuscular oils, though they lack the nice labels and packaging.


Now that I am reading more about this - I don't even want to dry needle. I need ALL the serums! And Tretinoin, and whatever else I can micro inject.
Care to give me primer what serums I will want to have, and what S.Korean brands currently are the hottest?

I found the Dr Pen Hydra H5/6 devices. What do you think about them? They have a 3ml reservoir and are all digital!
Though the Hydras sadly only go up to 2mm of depth. For skin tightening of abdominal area that could be a bit shallow?!
Some other Dr. Pen go up to 3mm.

Why not put reconstituted GHK-CU into the reservoir? That would be killing multiple birds with one stone.

2 mm is plenty deep you just want to cause trauma to the skin so it can heal and make new collagen etc,

 

[Banana Joe]

it really chews your skin up at a medical setting, i pummeled my face the first time and looked like a bloody pulp, it took several days for my face to heal

My hyper-vain buddy actually plans his entire training about the downtime needed for deep microneedling!
He doesn't leave the house for I think two days or so.

 

[Ateam2023]

Thanks, looks like you went all in!
This looks a bit like my collection of growth promoting intramuscular oils, though they lack the nice labels and packaging.


Now that I am reading more about this - I don't even want to dry needle. I need ALL the serums! And Tretinoin, and whatever else I can micro inject.
Care to give me primer what serums I will want to have, and what S.Korean brands currently are the hottest?

I found the Dr Pen Hydra H5/6 devices. What do you think about them? They have a 3ml reservoir and are all digital!
Though the Hydras sadly only go up to 2mm of depth. For skin tightening of abdominal area that could be a bit shallow?!
Some other Dr. Pen go up to 3mm.

Why not put reconstituted GHK-CU into the reservoir? That would be killing multiple birds with one stone.

go to meamo shop.com you can find all you need for your skin care journey

 

[Ateam2023]

My hyper-vain buddy actually plans his entire training about the downtime needed for deep microneedling!
He doesn't leave the house for I think two days or so.

i just did a mn session , i will be a little red tomarrow , but it just looks like a little sunburn

 

[Banana Joe]

Before I ask more questions - shouldn't we maybe open a new topic for non-facial skin tightening protocols?
I feel bad for littering @adrenalytic's progress thread, and many will miss this subject because of being spoken about in this thread.

We could summarise everything being spoken about here as a primer, then hopefully other will chime in as well, if they see is a thread with that topic in the subject.

 

[adrenalytic]

I feel bad for littering @adrenalytic's progress thread, and many will miss this subject because of being spoken about in this thread.

I don't mind but ya, the thread would probably get more attention with a different title. I'd be happy to contribute (re-contribute?) the information I've shared.

 

[Ateam2023]

I don't mind but ya, the thread would probably get more attention with a different title. I'd be happy to contribute (re-contribute?) the information I've shared.

I apologize @adrenalytic i got a little caried away , great work by the way.