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[Wrangel7]

Posting this again since every time I mention this it quickly gets buried under those long posts this source makes.

At some point, should this be considered spam to drown out discussion and reviews and complaints about problems with this source? Where is the line drawn? If not here, then where? 50% more? 100% more? If we agree that having 90% of the chat being filled with those comments is not something we want as a community, then what about 75%, and so on? I think it's excessive already.

STRENGTH IS IN REAL REVIEWS

More appropriately, "strength is in" consistently delivering high quality products. It appears that so far, there is neither much consistency nor much quality.

What does it cost to not attribute differently made products to the same batch? A difference in carrier oils unannounced is a big deal (allergies for example, as @malomkarom pointed out).

Sure, you can change quality of the product and change carriers. However, INFORM US OF THIS, please! It does not tangibly cost you much.

Consider the impression you are creating by doing this. This is not something which is hard or prohibitive to do, so by not doing it, your customers may be thinking, what other common sense practices that we would expect to be done, are not being done. The set of those practices that they could be now doubting has massively increased because it now includes things that basically cost you nothing!

This likely has already eroded some consumer trust and does not help the impression of a high quality, consistent brand or distributor of brands.

Such actions can lead to large amounts of your existing customers switching. It is no longer the case that AAS are hard to obtain from a reliable source, so if you want to keep those customers give them a reason to stay, instead of more and more reasons to switch.

 

[malomkarom]

At some point, should this be considered spam to drown out discussion and reviews and complaints about problems with this source? Where is the line drawn? If not here, then where? 50% more? 100% more? If we agree that having 90% of the chat being filled with those comments is not something we want as a community, then what about 75%, and so on? I think it's excessive already.

More appropriately, "strength is in" consistently delivering high quality products. It appears that so far, there is neither much consistency nor much quality.

What does it cost to not attribute differently made products to the same batch? A difference in carrier oils unannounced is a big deal (allergies for example, as @malomkarom pointed out).

Sure, you can change quality of the product and change carriers. However, INFORM US OF THIS, please! It does not tangibly cost you much.

Consider the impression you are creating by doing this. This is not something which is hard or prohibitive to do, so by not doing it, your customers may be thinking, what other common sense practices that we would expect to be done, are not being done. The set of those practices that they could be now doubting has massively increased because it now includes things that basically cost you nothing!

This likely has already eroded some consumer trust and does not help the impression of a high quality, consistent brand or distributor of brands.

Such actions can lead to large amounts of your existing customers switching. It is no longer the case that AAS are hard to obtain from a reliable source, so if you want to keep those customers give them a reason to stay, instead of more and more reasons to switch.

Let's not even talk about the fact that 2 of the 3 accounts he quoted for positive reviews are... let's say very questionable Like very clearly. 8 posts combined, 1 never had any other activity than a quick headsup that he's gonna order and a "review" that sounds "very legit".

The only legit account he quoted hasn't even tried the gear yet when posting. Not like a blind pin is really worth much anyways.

This source is straight up hideous.

 

[Wrangel7]

Let's not even talk about the fact that 2 of the 3 accounts he quoted for positive reviews are... let's say very questionable Like very clearly. 8 posts combined, 1 never had any other activity than a quick headsup that he's gonna order and a "review" that sounds "very legit".

The only legit account he quoted hasn't even tried the gear yet when posting. Not like a blind pin is really worth much anyways.

This source is straight up hideous.

All three reviews are from over 3 years ago (so that doesn't speak so much about the current quality, considering they clearly have made changes and unannounced). They are all from the same month and there is not more than a week between the times they were posted, too.

 

[malomkarom]

All three reviews are from over 3 years ago (so that doesn't speak so much about the current quality, considering they clearly have made changes and unannounced). They are all from the same month and there is not more than a week between the times they were posted, too.

Imagine going back 3 years and over a 100 pages just to find your shills. Fucking lol, it's nuts these guys got this far. That's also from the same year Sampei had all his shit underdosed almost exactly 10% and it's not like it was just him.

Guess the 10% they spared on the products payed the shills well.

Couldn't they atleast get fresh ones? Hell, use the same account for it, just post new ones.

You sound a bit more sophisticated than me so the stage is all yours till you stop

 

[murna]

Using carrier oils with similar properties is a common practice in the pharmaceutical field.

Yes, why not! Please, give me a real example of this happening right now, this month. Imagine Bayer suddenly changing their test depot from castor oil to peanut oil and responding to thousands of anaphylactic shock deads with "oh yes but it's common practice. We didn't warn you and we also didn't have time to change the list of ingredients in the package, but it's common in our industry". This is exactly the same you're doing. You have listed in your website (in some deep hidden place) which carrier oil you use but for any reason for that "batch", which it's not by definition, used a different one for some vials. This is completely unacceptable and unprofessional and buries trust to hell.

 

[Moulefruit]

Guys, they are reseller not manufacturer, they test all their stuff with jano
Personally I have never had any complaints about the quality of their product and I have tested many sources
I received my order yesterday in less than 2 weeks, I do almost all of my contest prep with Hilma products and I’m satisfied with them



And they are one of the last to have Mast E in stock

 

[murna]

Guys, they are reseller not manufacturer, they test all their stuff with jano
Personally I have never had any complaints about the quality of their product and I have tested many sources
I received my order yesterday in less than 2 weeks, I do almost all of my contest prep with Hilma products and I’m satisfied with them

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And they are one of the last to have Mast E in stock

They may be reseller but that doesn't exclude them from the responsibility of answering people's doubts and complaints. And that doesn't allow them to justify doing whatever they want with the ingredients of their formulations. If you're a reseller then you have the duty to answer people's complaints of the product you sell.

 

[Moulefruit]

They may be reseller but that doesn't exclude them from the responsibility of answering people's doubts and complaints. And that doesn't allow them to justify doing whatever they want with the ingredients of their formulations. If you're a reseller then you have the duty to answer people's complaints of the product you sell.

This isn’t their formulations, like explained they resell, if the factory doesn’t inform you how do you want to know without customer feedbacks ?
You send the batch to jano if it’s tren with mct oil or grapeseed you didn’t know because it just appear that’s tren

 

[RoidTeam]

that doesn't allow them to justify doing whatever they want with the ingredients of their formulations.

Please read our message above. We’ve provided Hilma Biocare’s response explaining how and why this could have happened. We are a distributor, not a manufacturer.

We are absolutely confident in the quality of the products we sell, which is why we offered the user to send the product to Janoshik for testing, we will cover the costs.

 

[murna]

Please read our message above. We’ve provided Hilma Biocare’s response explaining how and why this could have happened. We are a distributor, not a manufacturer.

We are absolutely confident in the quality of the products we sell, which is why we offered the user to send the product to Janoshik for testing, we will cover the costs.

Yes I understand. But you have to take some responsibility. You're a distributor so you have to put the manufacturer in place. Having a batch with different vials, even taking it to the level of changing oils, is totally unacceptable. This is not about quality, this is about safety and integrity ffs!

 

[RoidTeam]

It does not undergo a full cycle of testing if a part of the batch is a different brew. It does affect the quality, as people might be allergic to one but not the other oil and they are not told which one they are getting sent.

Do you have a medical education and real understanding of production processes? All products undergo a full testing cycle and are produced according to international quality standards. Hilma Biocare has been on the market for over 10 years, and during this time the carrier oil has changed more than once and there have been no complaints. Above we published a response that they allow the replacement of components with others of identical properties.

Have you actually used Hilma Biocare products? Please check the packaging. It clearly states “oil-based”. Both sesame oil and grapeseed oil are hypoallergenic. If you study the issue more deeply, you will find that grapeseed oil is even more hypoallergenic than sesame oil.

Show cases where people questioned the quality of the oil or had allergies to it. We are always in touch with the customers of our store and have not received such complaints. What goals are you pursuing when you make unfounded accusations and loud statements? We value your activity on the platform, but this is already going beyond common sense and turning into provocation and trolling.

The person asked why the product’s color is different, and he was given a clear answer.

Imagine Bayer suddenly changing their test depot from castor oil to peanut oil and responding to thousands of anaphylactic shock deads with "oh yes but it's common practice. We didn't warn you and we also didn't have time to change the list of ingredients in the package, but it's common in our industry".

This is fiction and complete nonsense, because of your post many people have let their imagination run wild and now they may seriously assume that this could happen. I suggest putting on tinfoil hats.

Neither Bayer nor any other manufacturer could use an oil prone to allergic reactions. They simply would not even be able to release such a product. Discussing anaphylactic shock from oil in a mass product is absurd.

As a distributor we always check the product before putting it on sale, as evidenced by regular lab tests and hundreds of regular customers who return to us.

 

[Wrangel7]

As a distributor we always check the product before putting it on sale, as evidenced by regular lab tests and hundreds of regular customers who return to us.

Then why didn't you inform us of the change in oil?

Now you can't pretend you didn't know and avoid contradicting yourself simultaneously.

 

[Moulefruit]

Personally grapeseed oil or mct I really don’t care, the most important is to have the right compound inside my vial with the right concentration

If you really worried about « anaphylactic shock« just buy your stuff at the pharmacy with an ordonnance

 

[murna]

Personally grapeseed oil or mct I really don’t care, the most important is to have the right compound inside my vial with the right concentration

If you really worried about « anaphylactic shock« just buy your stuff at the pharmacy with an ordonnance

I'm not worried since I have no allergies. It was just an example of how changing oils mid batch is a bad practice and obscures the credibility of the brand.

 

[murna]

Have you actually used Hilma Biocare products? Please check the packaging. It clearly states “oil-based”. Both sesame oil and grapeseed oil are hypoallergenic. If you study the issue more deeply, you will find that grapeseed oil is even more hypoallergenic than sesame oil.

Yes but which oil? Oil-based means nothing. It's like not stating it. I just mentioned the sensitivity and allergy to some oils as the extreme example of why it's a bad practice to change oils mid production. Of course probabilities of something bad happening are low, but it's just such a low value practice.

Show cases where people questioned the quality of the oil or had allergies to it. We are always in touch with the customers of our store and have not received such complaints. What goals are you pursuing when you make unfounded accusations and loud statements? We value your activity on the platform, but this is already going beyond common sense and turning into provocation and trolling.

Again, this is not about allergy or not. It was just an example of how changing oils mid batch and act like nothing can lead to a bad scenario.

This is fiction and complete nonsense, because of your post many people have let their imagination run wild and now they may seriously assume that this could happen. I suggest putting on tinfoil hats.

I hope people run their imagination so that they realize this is an underground and unregulated market where there's no liability for anyone so they better expect some seriousness from their labs. Also, why is it my fault that people may assume something will happen or not? This is not kindergarten and I have no responsibility over anyone's opinion in you. I'm just stating facts and facts are that changing oil mid production, even including different vials under the same batch is a really low value practice and could have unintended consequences.

Neither Bayer nor any other manufacturer could use an oil prone to allergic reactions. They simply would not even be able to release such a product. Discussing anaphylactic shock from oil in a mass product is absurd.

Yes, allergic products are sometimes used in medications and that's why they're ALWAYS STATED.

As a distributor we always check the product before putting it on sale, as evidenced by regular lab tests and hundreds of regular customers who return to us.

Well it's not clearly evident since you'd have noticed that two vials with the same batch number have two different colors.

 

[Moulefruit]

I'm not worried since I have no allergies. It was just an example of how changing oils mid batch is a bad practice and obscures the credibility of the brand.

You should be more worried about the tons of steroids oils with EO inside who actually come from China actually

As far I know Hilma products never be tested with wrong compound inside, and personally I have never experienced PIP or inflammation even with products like Rip Blend

 

[murna]

You should be more worried about the tons of steroids oils with EO inside who actually come from China actually

As far I know Hilma products never be tested with wrong compound inside, and personally I have never experienced PIP or inflammation even with products like Rip Blend

I'm worried about everything. This is not just about looking for the worst, this is pushing the expectations higher and not treat these things as normal

Also, never taken oils from China, and I would never would for the simple reason that there's too much out of my control

EDIT: this is my last message about oils in this thread, I don't want to fill pages with this. I just saw something really worth it to point out and I did, so there's the harm protection done

 

[Thor21]

I ordered from them a while ago. The shipping took a lot of time but i received yesterday. However, i received test e from the same batch nr as previously but now the vial is brown, not transparent as it was previously. It is from the same batch nr, but has different design of the vials...is this normal? Have you guys experienced something similar?

 

[Thor21]

The batch nr is 107024

 

[murna]

The batch nr is 107024

They simply changed oils. There's nothing wrong with your vials, it just that the carrier oil is different than the last one, and they included it in the same batch number when they should put it in a separate one