Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[Middus]

It's not that difficult if you follow the relevant areas.

They're rational actors, pursuing their best interests, responding to disincentives and incentives.

Resuming illegal drug precursor production would be economic suicide given the focus the US has on that right now, and the strain China's economy is under at the moment.

. Everyone's economy is under strain.
Just saying there is no answer to whether they will be a future crackdown on something or not.
Just look at the chips nonsense that's going on. First don't sell them chips, then lets allow companies to sell them chips and pocket part of the proceeds, what does china do in an attempt to undercut prices? claim the chips are bugged.
Its just cray!

 

[Middus]

But raising them in raws, which means those buyers are desperate.

He could've doubled the raws prices, thrown away the crusty peps, and still made more money than by trying to force product on unwilling buyers.

We shall see...

 

[readalot]

Stale peptides are boring. Where's the BEEF?

 

[niqTM]

Also, those raw prices. 300$ for test c = 3$/gram

250mg/ml test-c @ 10ml vial = 2.5g

2.5g x 3$/gram = 7.50$/vial before carrier oil, bb, ba, eo, guicol (whatever you want to use), vial, stopper, crimper.

Other than the peace of mind knowing your brew is how you want it, and having it shipped from within the US, it doesn't seem worth it to brew your own at this cost even if you were going to resell it when you have other vendors selling at 10-11$/10ml vial.

 

[readalot]

 

[Ateam2023]

Stale peptides are boring. Where's the BEEF?

 

[Ateam2023]

Beat me to it , well done you "old fart" lol

 

[readalot]

Beat me to it , well done you "old fart" lol

 

[pipo]

Appreciate the detailed response guys.
It is mainly out of curiosity, since I have supply for the next 30 months, but has anyone spoken or are there any theories as to if China is going to start manufacturing ever again?
I bet someone will, but maybe its India if China isn't, I don't know...

Some say October some end of the year beginning of the next,some say next month. But who knows,if you ask 3 Chinese sellers they will tell you 3 different answer. They don't know either.
Some raws started to be produced I think as some Chinese have some oils available that hasn't been in stock for a few months

Eventually it will start again in a form or another,prices maybe will increase but everything is more expensive nowadays compared to few years ago.

 

[BrunoES]

Appreciate the detailed response guys.
It is mainly out of curiosity, since I have supply for the next 30 months, but has anyone spoken or are there any theories as to if China are going to start manufacturing ever again?
I bet someone will, but maybe its India if China isn't, I don't know...

It's not that difficult if you follow the relevant areas.

They're rational actors, pursuing their best interests, responding to disincentives and incentives.

Resuming illegal drug precursor production would be economic suicide given the focus the US has on that right now, and the strain China's economy is under at the moment.

Oh, I thought the raws had nothing to do with the illegal drugs. I assumed they closed the factories because they were using the same places to produce both raws and illegal stuff, didn't know the same material was used to produce both.

 

[Mma67]

Those primo prices hurt. The good ol days might be done for.

 

[BrunoES]

Some say October some end of the year beginning of the next,some say next month. But who knows,if you ask 3 Chinese sellers they will tell you 3 different answer. They don't know either.
Some raws started to be produced I think as some Chinese have some oils available that hasn't been in stock for a few months

Eventually it will start again in a form or another,prices maybe will increase but everything is more expensive nowadays compared to few years ago.

Didn't know they were out of oils and started selling back again, good sign

 

[Kralteramon]

Those primo prices hurt. The good ol days might be done for.

I'm never running primo again if those are the new prices. I'd rather turn into a horse, which I'll do eventually when I use up all the bold in my stockpile. Luckily I've got primo and deca to last me 1.5 more years before I go horsemode.

 

[niqTM]

Oh, I thought the raws had nothing to do with the illegal drugs. I assumed they closed the factories because they were using the same places to produce both raws and illegal stuff, didn't know the same material was used to produce both.

I didn't know that either. I wonder what they share.

 

[ImSW1]

You are not his target customer.
He's targeting brewers and resellers.

1 vial of Reta 10mg can be sold at ~70-100USD US DOM.
Brewers will brew the raws and earn.
They will resell the old peps and earn.

Soccer moms are more than happy to pay US Dom prices for old peptides.

I dont know about the "Soccer Moms" buying old peps. They seem like raging lunatics when it comes to COAs etc. I just can't see them taking a COA from January and turning a blind eye. I guess the seller could always lie and provide a newer COA from another UGL.

 

[phenominal34]

I got my order and I dipped out. I'm not placing anything until they're up and running 100%
There's gonna be another "bust" and people are gonna be left without their products... again.

Weren’t you complete Anti QSC lol

 

[Middus]

I dont know about the "Soccer Moms" buying old peps. They seem like raging lunatics when it comes to COAs etc. I just can't see them taking a COA from January and turning a blind eye. I guess the seller could always lie and provide a newer COA from another UGL.

I figured he means the domestic lab will relabel the peptides, retest, and then and resell as theirs...

 

[amazonas]

QSC return is a massive failure. The only thing they have now that other sources don't is raws. Once they are out of raws, they can't provide anything of value.

And more and more Chinese sources have US warehouses now. One of the things that made QSC stand out. Another thing was the extensive lab tests, which they have provided ZERO of since the return.

But it's crazy that the QSC asslickers and fanboys are keeping their business running.

 

[ImSW1]

I figured he means the domestic lab will relabel the peptides, retest, and then and resell as theirs...

I learned something today. Today was a good day. Thanks Middus.

 

[phenominal34]

QSC return is a massive failure. The only thing they have now that other sources don't is raws. Once they are out of raws, they can't provide anything of value.

And more and more Chinese sources have US warehouses now. One of the things that made QSC stand out. Another thing was the extensive lab tests, which they have provided ZERO of since the return.

But it's crazy that the QSC asslickers and fanboys are keeping their business running.

You realize this is a soft return if it is one ? With a possibility of a strong return. You all crack me up with the hate but you’ll line up to suck balls once they put out a full menu with testing, raws, promos, etc.

Failure huh … 1 day back and they had 15,000-20,000 ppl on their telegram and discord but a massive failure.