A GH and fat loss protocol (rhGH lipolysis) that is science-based

[Silversform]

Takže si vezmeš nejaký rastový hormón a potom si dáš inzulín? Diabetes nával?

aj tak plytvanie rastovým hormónom

Well i need eat before bed so my last meal is just 10g carbs

 

[Hungrymofo]

Do you think
2iu first thing in the morning and
2iu 30min before last meal and go sleep is ok?

With the amount of quality info from numerous sources, It’s amazing people still ask questions like this.

May I ask your logic of why you think this is the proper way to dose GH ? What is your thinking behind it ?

 

[Rakusa]

With the amount of quality info from numerous sources, It’s amazing people still ask questions like this.

May I ask your logic of why you think this is the proper way to dose GH ? What is your thinking behind it ?

what I don't understand with GH, if taken in the morning

"...serum GH usually starts to rise after 2 hours, peaks by 4 or 6 hours and drops back to near baseline levels 12 hours after s.c. GH administration"

doesn't that mean it almost always collides with a carb heavy meal, as long as the individual isn't fasting, which is rare in bodybuilding population?

what would your ideal GH protocol be for 4 units, if a dose in the AM is needed?

 

[Ghoul]

what I don't understand with GH, if taken in the morning

"...serum GH usually starts to rise after 2 hours, peaks by 4 or 6 hours and drops back to near baseline levels 12 hours after s.c. GH administration"

doesn't that mean it almost always collides with a carb heavy meal, as long as the individual isn't fasting, which is rare in bodybuilding population?

what would your ideal GH protocol be for 4 units, if a dose in the AM is needed?

The only thing carbs do is close the window on enhanced fat lipolysis. Other GH benefits continue.

 

[Hungrymofo]

what I don't understand with GH, if taken in the morning

"...serum GH usually starts to rise after 2 hours, peaks by 4 or 6 hours and drops back to near baseline levels 12 hours after s.c. GH administration"

doesn't that mean it almost always collides with a carb heavy meal, as long as the individual isn't fasting, which is rare in bodybuilding population?

what would your ideal GH protocol be for 4 units, if a dose in the AM is needed?

Why is a dose in the morning needed? , it is still effective no matter how you use it. However why would you pin in the morning and increase insulin resistance and grogginess the entire day?
Pin at night subQ before bed. The resistance won’t kick in until you’ve already digestested your last meal, it will help you sleep, and still be active in your system for fat burning effect by the time you do your morning fasted cardio, the insulin resistance effect will be gone by the time your eat your first meal.

 

[dinfar1337]

Why is a dose in the morning needed? , it is still effective no matter how you use it. However why would you pin in the morning and increase insulin resistance and grogginess the entire day?
Pin at night subQ before bed. The resistance won’t kick in until you’ve already digestested your last meal, it will help you sleep, and still be active in your system for fat burning effect by the time you do your morning fasted cardio, the insulin resistance effect will be gone by the time your eat your first meal.

if you're not planning on staying on insulin for life, hgh night bolus is the most manageable.

 

[bananafeet]

if you're not planning on staying on insulin for life, hgh night bolus is the most manageable.

This whole topic confuses me lol

Anecdotally I WAS sleeping like a champ on nightly 1iu HGH, but recently I've been waking up hungry and my sleep quality has suffered.

I'm trialing AM dosing now.

 

[Hungrymofo]

This whole topic confuses me lol

Anecdotally I WAS sleeping like a champ on nightly 1iu HGH, but recently I've been waking up hungry and my sleep quality has suffered.

I'm trialing AM dosing now.

I mean 1iu is less than natural production. Why so low?

Personally, I take 3/4 of my dose subq @9pm. Then IM the rest when I wake up to pee around 2am. It knocks me back out and I sleep great until 5am. Fasted cardio, then first meal @7am.

I noticed sometimes when I would just take all at one dose, I will fall asleep fine but then wake up in the middle of the night and have trouble falling back asleep. So adding that second injection when I wake up, helps me sleep better.

 

[dinfar1337]

I mean 1iu is less than natural production. Why so low?

Personally, I take 3/4 of my dose subq @9pm. Then IM the rest when I wake up to pee around 2am. It knocks me back out and I sleep great until 5am. Fasted cardio, then first meal @7am.

I noticed sometimes when I would just take all at one dose, I will fall asleep fine but then wake up in the middle of the night and have trouble falling back asleep. So adding that second injection when I wake up, helps me sleep better.

i have thought about this, but some nights. i dont wake up to pee. maybe the trick is drinking alot of water before bed?

 

[Hungrymofo]

i have thought about this, but some nights. i dont wake up to pee. maybe the trick is drinking alot of water before bed?

Lmao bro. Really, the goal is to sleep BETTER. Why would you purposely drink more to wake up more frequently. Y’all have a hilarious way of thinking.

 

[dinfar1337]

Lmao bro. Really, the goal is to sleep BETTER. Why would you purposely drink more to wake up more frequently. Y’all have a hilarious way of thinking.

i actually enjoy eating 1kg of food before bed and just fucking passing out. but i've made a new schedule so i can take hgh at night.

this waking up to pee magic i once had but lost it, i need it back so i can wake up and take my whole bolus

 

[Hungrymofo]

i actually enjoy eating 1kg of food before bed and just fucking passing out. but i've made a new schedule so i can take hgh at night.

this waking up to pee magic i once had but lost it, i need it back so i can wake up and take my whole bolus

Oh brother.., you have a lot to learn.

 

[bananafeet]

I mean 1iu is less than natural production. Why so low?

Personally, I take 3/4 of my dose subq @9pm. Then IM the rest when I wake up to pee around 2am. It knocks me back out and I sleep great until 5am. Fasted cardio, then first meal @7am.

I noticed sometimes when I would just take all at one dose, I will fall asleep fine but then wake up in the middle of the night and have trouble falling back asleep. So adding that second injection when I wake up, helps me sleep better.

Post in thread 'Starting HGH'

Jul 19, 2025

Side effects non stop at 2iu?

"Initiation and Monitoring of GH Treatment

Unlike pediatric GH treatment, often dosed in micrograms/kilograms of body weight/day, currently recommended GH replacement dosing in adults is individualized independent of weight, taking into account the patient’s age, gender, and estrogen status (Johannsson et al., 1997a; Hoffman et al., 2004b). Initiating therapy at low doses (total dose 0.2–0.4 mg/day SC) decreases the likelihood of developing common side effects like joint stiffness, arthralgias, myalgias, paresthesias, and peripheral edema, with fluid...

• bananafeet

I don't think HGH needs to be doses as high as is commonly recommended.

But everyone responds differently. I'll get my igf1 checked after one month at 1iu daily.

 

[dinfar1337]

Post in thread 'Starting HGH'

Jul 19, 2025

Side effects non stop at 2iu?

"Initiation and Monitoring of GH Treatment

Unlike pediatric GH treatment, often dosed in micrograms/kilograms of body weight/day, currently recommended GH replacement dosing in adults is individualized independent of weight, taking into account the patient’s age, gender, and estrogen status (Johannsson et al., 1997a; Hoffman et al., 2004b). Initiating therapy at low doses (total dose 0.2–0.4 mg/day SC) decreases the likelihood of developing common side effects like joint stiffness, arthralgias, myalgias, paresthesias, and peripheral edema, with fluid...

• bananafeet

I don't think HGH needs to be doses as high as is commonly recommended.

But everyone responds differently. I'll get my igf1 checked after one month at 1iu daily.

i completely disagree (cries in 8iu hgh everyday)

 

[bananafeet]

i completely disagree (cries in 8iu hgh everyday)

It was common to think tren should be started at 300mg per week or the first cycle should be 500mg of test E lol

The doses recommended have continued to drop. I don't tell people how to take their illegal drugs. Haha

 

[Hungrymofo]

Post in thread 'Starting HGH'

Jul 19, 2025

Side effects non stop at 2iu?

"Initiation and Monitoring of GH Treatment

Unlike pediatric GH treatment, often dosed in micrograms/kilograms of body weight/day, currently recommended GH replacement dosing in adults is individualized independent of weight, taking into account the patient’s age, gender, and estrogen status (Johannsson et al., 1997a; Hoffman et al., 2004b). Initiating therapy at low doses (total dose 0.2–0.4 mg/day SC) decreases the likelihood of developing common side effects like joint stiffness, arthralgias, myalgias, paresthesias, and peripheral edema, with fluid...

• bananafeet

I don't think HGH needs to be doses as high as is commonly recommended.

But everyone responds differently. I'll get my igf1 checked after one month at 1iu daily.

You’re missing the key word here “initiating”.
They don’t stay at that dose. I wouldn’t be surprised if your IGF-1 is mid 100’s on 1iu.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

yeah, how are u gonna atrophy the muscle? you are breathing 24/7

You use the heart 24/7 but how much stress you put on it dramatically remodels the heart in different ways, you’re equating very unique muscles (the diaphragm, intercostals) with a bicep.

 

[Ghoul]

yeah, how are u gonna atrophy the muscle? you are breathing 24/7

You "use up" their anabolic capacity sooner than other muscles. rHGH increases androgen receptors in those intercostal and diaphragm muscles so they have the capacity to grow again after they start to slowly atrophy in your 30s.

 

[bananafeet]

You’re missing the key word here “initiating”.
They don’t stay at that dose. I wouldn’t be surprised if your IGF-1 is mid 100’s on 1iu.

"GH secretion in adults In healthy adults, it is known that fertile women have a higher GH secretion than young men (23) and that GH secretion is inversely associated with increasing age and adiposity (24, 25). These factors should be considered during GH replacement. Instead, GH dose schedules based on body weight or surface area results in higher daily doses of GH in subjects with higher body weight and lower for most women compared with men.
In middle-aged women, the reported daily production of GH is about 47 mg/L 3 24 h, whereas the mean production in the adult male is 15 mg/L 3 24 h. Assuming an availability of sc administered recombinant human GH of 60%, a dose between 0.3-0.6 mg (0.6-1.8 IU) per day should be in agreement with the physiological GH production in adults (26),
which is markedly lower than the doses of GH used in previous trials of GH replacement in adults."

Source: https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1210/jcem.85.3.6487-1

1iu places me in the middle of the recommended range. I don't really care to argue, but it seems like the dosing advice given here is rather generous.

Another source:
"The present study also examined 9 patients with childhood-onset GHD (aged 23–57 yr; 7 men and 2 women). Within 12 weeks of treatment, all nine and eight of nine patients reached normal levels of serum IGF-I and IGFBP-3, respectively. The dose of rhGH in this study group was 0.6 or 1.2 IU/day (mean doses, 1.0 IU/day; ;0.6 IU/m2zday;;0.11 IU/kg.week). Normalization of serum IGF-I was achieved with a mean dose of 1.0 IU/day, which is comparable with the dose advised by Wollmann et al. (12) but lowerthan the dose advised by Møller et al. (13) and De Boer et al.(14, 15). Wollmann et al. (12) examined 12 patients (9 men and 3 women) with childhood-onset GHD (20 –36 yr of age) in arandomized cross-over design with 3 treatment periods of 3months each (0.125, 0, 25, and 0.5 IU/kg BW.week)."

Source: https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1210/jcem.82.1.3669

 

[Ateam2023]

"GH secretion in adults In healthy adults, it is known that fertile women have a higher GH secretion than young men (23) and that GH secretion is inversely associated with increasing age and adiposity (24, 25). These factors should be considered during GH replacement. Instead, GH dose schedules based on body weight or surface area results in higher daily doses of GH in subjects with higher body weight and lower for most women compared with men.
In middle-aged women, the reported daily production of GH is about 47 mg/L 3 24 h, whereas the mean production in the adult male is 15 mg/L 3 24 h. Assuming an availability of sc administered recombinant human GH of 60%, a dose between 0.3-0.6 mg (0.6-1.8 IU) per day should be in agreement with the physiological GH production in adults (26),
which is markedly lower than the doses of GH used in previous trials of GH replacement in adults."

Source: https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1210/jcem.85.3.6487-1

1iu places me in the middle of the recommended range. I don't really care to argue, but it seems like the dosing advice given here is rather generous.

Another source:
"The present study also examined 9 patients with childhood-onset GHD (aged 23–57 yr; 7 men and 2 women). Within 12 weeks of treatment, all nine and eight of nine patients reached normal levels of serum IGF-I and IGFBP-3, respectively. The dose of rhGH in this study group was 0.6 or 1.2 IU/day (mean doses, 1.0 IU/day; ;0.6 IU/m2zday;;0.11 IU/kg.week). Normalization of serum IGF-I was achieved with a mean dose of 1.0 IU/day, which is comparable with the dose advised by Wollmann et al. (12) but lowerthan the dose advised by Møller et al. (13) and De Boer et al.(14, 15). Wollmann et al. (12) examined 12 patients (9 men and 3 women) with childhood-onset GHD (20 –36 yr of age) in arandomized cross-over design with 3 treatment periods of 3months each (0.125, 0, 25, and 0.5 IU/kg BW.week)."

Source: https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1210/jcem.82.1.3669
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