Self Administered Lidocaine Trigger Point Injections

[Elektrobot]

My pain management dr from several injuries ago used to give me lidocaine trigger point / muscle knot injections. A peptide seller on Telegram has bottles of 1% lidocaine and I'm thinking about tying to hit my muscle knots with injections. Has anyone here tried this? Of course some spots would be easier to get to than others... I would be going mostly into my pec, shoulder and biceps. Not sure if I could hit my lat on my own.

 

[OnTRT]

Find somebody who does dry needling. The needle right into a trigger point can deactivate it without any med needed

 

[Elektrobot]

Find somebody who does dry needling. The needle right into a trigger point can deactivate it without any med needed

My physical therapist dry needles me, and also hooks up a TENS unit to the needles to pulse the knots, but the lidocaine injections were a lot more effective for me. My physical therapist cant "inject". I don't think I can reach and hold and pinpoint a spot with a needle on my own anyways. bicep, shoulder, teres...

I need to find a nurse to bang who can do it for me

 

[RedSalmon]

My pain management dr from several injuries ago used to give me lidocaine trigger point / muscle knot injections. A peptide seller on Telegram has bottles of 1% lidocaine and I'm thinking about tying to hit my muscle knots with injections. Has anyone here tried this? Of course some spots would be easier to get to than others... I would be going mostly into my pec, shoulder and biceps. Not sure if I could hit my lat on my own.

Hi there, just wanted to clarify, are you thinking of using the lidocaine injections mainly to relieve muscle soreness after workouts, or are you dealing with a specific injury or chronic pain condition?

 

[Elektrobot]

Hi there, just wanted to clarify, are you thinking of using the lidocaine injections mainly to relieve muscle soreness after workouts, or are you dealing with a specific injury or chronic pain condition?

I train aerial straps twice a week, and chronically get a knot in my left rhomboid, and occasionally in my left pec and shoulder.

The lidocaine injections my Dr. used to do helped get rid of the knots.

The mechanics of my left shoulder are different than my right because of a labral tear and I think muscles are having to compensate for the instability.

 

[Photon]

The lidocaine injections my Dr. used to do helped get rid of the knots.

The mechanics of my left shoulder are different than my right because of a labral tear and I think muscles are having to compensate for the instability.

Just curious.
How long before the knots come back?
Lidocaine has a short half life, do you think it's just temporarily relief or does it help it heal etc?
Have you considered getting a botox shot there instead (from a specialist/doctor of course, not a nurse)?

1-2% lidocaine won't do much. It'll probably last 1-2 hours, it's highly likely your doctor used something much stronger..

 

[Elektrobot]

How long before the knots come back?
Lidocaine has a short half life, do you think it's just temporarily relief or does it help it heal etc?
Have you considered getting a botox shot there (from a specialist/doctor of course, not a nurse)?

They come back within 2 weeks. I don't think the lidocaine is the actual treatment. My dr said that creating pressure inside the muscle with fluid helps break the feedback loop causing the knot. He uses lidocaine as the fluid because it offers a short term relief. Mechanically / hydraulicly creating pressure inside the muscle is the actual therapy.

I have talked with Dr's about botox but I don't want to risk loosing strength in those muscles or experiencing atrophy.

 

[Photon]

They come back within 2 weeks. I don't think the lidocaine is the actual treatment. My dr said that creating pressure inside the muscle with fluid helps break the feedback loop causing the knot. He uses lidocaine as the fluid because it offers a short term relief. Mechanically / hydraulicly creating pressure inside the muscle is the actual therapy.

I have talked with Dr's about botox but I don't want to risk loosing strength in those muscles or experiencing atrophy.

Very interesting.
Have you considered just injecting 1-2 ml of castor oil instead? It'll keep pressure there for alot longer and castor, by itself is an analgesic which can provide pain relief.

Back to your point, you can easily purchase 2% lido injection online from most Korean beauty websites. I've seen it, but I've never gone about purchasing but i reckon it's pharma and something like this is not good to purchase UGL for safety reasons.

 

[Elektrobot]

Very interesting.
Have you considered just injecting 1-2 ml of castor oil instead? It'll keep pressure there for alot longer and castor, by itself is an analgesic which can provide pain relief.

Back to your point, you can easily purchase 2% lido injection online from most Korean beauty websites. I've seen it, but I've never gone about purchasing but i reckon it's pharma and something like this is not good to purchase UGL for safety reasons.

I haven't considered caster oil. My idea was to just mimic what my Dr. did. But maybe there are other things to experiment with. I do also remember him talking about how injecting fluid also flushes out build up of waste products and gets fresh blood flowing in to the knot.

A grey market peptide seller I've bought from has some individual bottles of Hospira 1% lidocaine. Seeing that is what made me think oh shit I can do that at home.