TrenboloneTax: Hybrid Cycling / Lifting Log aka Make Hulk Bike Fast

[Trenbolonetax]

Over representation by people who had the bad sides is probably the right view. I think a lot of people that have had good experiences with DNP don't like to post about it anymore because they get so much hate.

I won't lie my first DNP cycle had began to feel the neuropathy. But as soon as I was aware of the burning in my fingers and feet I stopped. The sensation went away as the DNP left my system. But I did this first cycle way to long and was using it as a crutch for years of bad diet.

And that's probably the other big factor that makes the drug look bad. It's abused by people that abuse food. It's the only drug that is guaranteed results. Before youtube scrubbed DNP content there was a youtuber with an eating disorder that would binge hard on ice cream and pizza and shit and then take a bunch of DNP. He had a video of him sitting in a cold shower due to the heat. Idk what happened to that guy but I guarantee that poor kid has some sort of long term issue.

I've known a lot of people that used DNP "responsibly" (I get the argument that there is no responsible way to use it) with one guy using up to a gram per day for a short period. None of them have had long term effects.

All that said, I don't think any of these people that used heavy doses of DNP in the past would do so now. It was a thing they did as young impatient men with no responsibilities. Hard to go to work dripping sweat and with red skin.

Would you mind elaborating a bit on your DNP use?

For example, length of time, dose, typical escalation schedule, diet, supps, nutrition / nutrition strategies (IF, PSMF, low carb, etc), changes to workout routine, what you feel is best length of time + dose which balances results with sides, etc.

Would be helpful and appreciated.

 

[rexy]

Over representation by people who had the bad sides is probably the right view. I think a lot of people that have had good experiences with DNP don't like to post about it anymore because they get so much hate.

Good point on the hate bit. I put a comment on a site about how I used DNP to help lose 88lbs in 6 months years ago and I got obliterated.

the funny thing is DNP was only used for 2 months of that and at low dose. I removed the comment eventually because I realised people weren’t grasping the context (it wasn’t here I posted it FYI)

I’ve also done some wild shit with it that had me pass out. That I might share in DM. LOL.

I’m on my phone atm as just getting in bed but I’ll reply to your other points when I get up tomorrow, plus to share about my experiences of the 88lb loss phase if TT is interested.

 

[malfeasance]

I used DNP to help lose 88lbs in 6 months years ago

WOW, awesome. I am sure all of us would like to hear about the experience.

 

[JG91]

Would you mind elaborating a bit on your DNP use?

For example, length of time, dose, typical escalation schedule, diet, supps, nutrition / nutrition strategies (IF, PSMF, low carb, etc), changes to workout routine, what you feel is best length of time + dose which balances results with sides, etc.

Would be helpful and appreciated.

Oh man. I was a mess when I started. Sort of did a depression spiral. I preface my DNP use with this because how I went about using the drug was irresponsible and I didn't care what happened to me. I wouldn't recommend this drug to most people. But this board isn't most people. I hope Meso members are smart enough to follow safety protocols and abandon use at first signs of trouble.

Luckily I have a log on my phone to refer to.

First cycle:
Started off with 100 mg per day. Was frustrating because I actually gained weight due to the initial water retention Did this for a week before jumping to 200 mg for two days. Then out of frustration jumped to 400 mg.

After three days of 400 mg I was at a friend's house and my heart rate resting was 115 and I ended up vomiting. This was a DNP overdose.

Backed off and took no doses for two days then started back on 200 and worked back to 400.

In the end I did 14 days at 400 mg. Lost 15 lbs and 2.5 inches off my waist. As noted I did get a burning sensation in my fingers and toes and that is when I abandoned this cycle.

Stayed off DNP for 3 months

Unfortunately I was way less detailed in my log on the next cycles. I did technically do 2 more cycles but one I don't count because I abandoned it quickly. I just happened to get a flu or something soon after starting.

The last cycle I did I consider the most successful , and this is the protocol I now recommend:

Spent 4 days eating close to zero carbs prior to first dose. Doing 30-45 mins stairs + my usual 15,000 steps per day. Really depleted all the glycogen.

I believe I started with 250 mg of powdered DNP for 3 days to further eliminate any possible glycogen stores. Then jumped to 500 mg. I alternated between 375 and 500 mg per day depending on how heavily I found the effects. Spent 8 days at the higher dose (I don't personally consider the 250 mg days as part of the main fat loss phase and think of it more in terms of removing all glycogen). I was also on 20 mg cardarine, which I do recommend as DNP causes so much lethargy. Another 10 ish lbs and 1.5 inches in that time.

Truthfully I didn't need the second DNP run as I had hit my stride and was losing weight naturally with the heavy cardio and good diet. But doing a cycle of DNP is months of progress in a short time. I think of it as taking all the long term suffering of dieting and condensing it into a short period.

Second cycle supplements:
-Liver HD taking 4 caps daily to get the 1,000 mg TUDCA total + all the other stuff HD muscle puts in the supplement.
-1000 mg vitamin C 4-5 times day
- 800 mg vitamin E
-400 mg coq 10
-400 mg magnesium
-5 mg melatonin
-electrolyte powder I mixed into water throughout the day
-Iodine but I don't remember the dose
-8-16 mg ephedrine sporadically if I had to work. Mostly combating lethargy

Other than being super hot all the time I had no side effects from the second cycle. No pins and needles feeling, never had nausea or GI distress. I think the mix of depleting the liver prior to start to jump start fat loss + the supplements helped.

Training was just a bro split. You won't hit any PRs. So just focused on compounds and trying to match previous best as much as possible.

Cardio I think you should do dedicated cardio daily + just increase movement. Tons of steps. Really take advantage of your jacked up metabolism.

For diet the big thing is the low/zero carb depletion phase prior to starting. While on DNP the two focuses were keeping protein 1-1.5 g/lb and making sure to have vegetables and berries multiple times a day. Calories would've been a 500 deficit if I wasn't on DNP, so that 500 + the massive deficit cause by the DNP. I think fasting while on is a mistake. You want a consistent flow of nutrients imo.

DNP suppresses the thyroid. So after coming off I kept my calories even lower than I normally would have for two weeks. And even then slowly raised them back to where I wanted to be.

I disagree with the idea of taking 200 mg for long periods of time. I get the theory. 200 mg is about a 30% increase in TDEE and you don't feel it at all. But I feel the best use is to get in and get out. It feels the worst at night. But if you can ride out the suffering you will be rewarded.

Weirdest thing is the water retention. I gained 5-10 lbs of water at the start of the first cycle. Second cycle was a lot better and max 5 lbs. But when you come off the water doesn't come off quickly. With both the first and last cycle I found my weight and waist measurements both bottomed out 14 days after the last dose of DNP.

In the future I think I'd try the opposite approach. The Vigorous Mitochondrial optimization stack route. Literally the opposite of what DNP does lmao. But DNP will always have it's fans quietly using it because there is nothing like it. It's guaranteed results in a bottle.

 

[rexy]

WOW, awesome. I am sure all of us would like to hear about the experience.

So before the context & detail, I'll give the numbers before and after.

June 27 2021; 125kg (275lbs)
Dec 31st, 2021: 81.5kg (179.3lbs).

So actually it was 95.7lbs, not 88. I detailed the daily weigh-ins so I'm going back through them now.

I was 275lbs of lard when I started. The reason was comfort eating to deal with being the sole carer for a terminally ill relative who I was very close to; from the start of 2020 until his death in June 2021. I was 90kg or so prior to the illness.

I started the day he died because it triggered a psychological turning point and motivation that was like a machine. For obvious reasons I had been out of the gym for at least 24m+ as of the starting date, and was not on any AAS either. My last cycle before that had ended at the start of 2019. I'll briefly outline the 6 months and what I did below:

Month 1 - Starting weight: 125kg (275lbs)
NO DNP OR AAS
- bought a treadmill desk to use during working hours. The equipment arrived around 2-3days in and I hit 20k-30k steps a day everyday.
- Ate no more than 800 calories a day in one meal a day. That meal was allowed to be whatever. I didn't bother with protein intake, I just wanted compliance. There was minor variation in what the food was, but majority of the days the meal was a small curry sauce with 2 naan breads.

Month 2 - Starting weight: 110kg (242lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
- Everything above stayed the same but I started 300mg Test E per week and got back at the gym. Did an upper lower split 4x per week. Very basic stuff as I'd been out the gym for years at that point but knew the Test+resistance training would help considering my low protein. Steps remained 20k-30k a day, everyday. Calories remained the same.

Month 3 - Starting weight: 105kg (231lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
- Nothing to report here other than I was consistent with everything, and started to include higher protein of around 100g a day. Calories would still cap at 600-800.

Month 4 - Starting weight: 102kg (224.4lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
- Consistent on hitting step and calorie goals and no gym sessions missed.

Month 5 - Starting weight: 97.5kg (214.5lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
200mg DNP per day added.
- At this point I was glad to finally be back under 100kg and wanted to spice things up. I cannot tolerate Clen as i'm sensitive to beta adrenergic stimulation, but had previously used DNP and knew my response. So went with that. I did lower my average step count to around 12k-15k because the DNP fatigue and super low calories was a slog.

Month 6 - Starting weight: 91.5 (201.3lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
400mg DNP per day until final week.
- Couple of gym sessions missed due to feeling too drained. Calories remained the same, peaking at 800, and i kept an average of 17k steps again.

End result: 81.5kg on 31st Dec (179.3lbs)
This measurement was close to a week from last Test injection and last DNP dose, so i assume that part of this insane 10kg drop was water weight from DNP flushing out too.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

So before the context & detail, I'll give the numbers before and after.

June 27 2021; 125kg (275lbs)
Dec 31st, 2021: 81.5kg (179.3lbs).

So actually it was 95.7lbs, not 88. I detailed the daily weigh-ins so I'm going back through them now.

I was 275lbs of lard when I started. The reason was comfort eating to deal with being the sole carer for a terminally ill relative who I was very close to; from the start of 2020 until his death in June 2021. I was 90kg or so prior to the illness.

I started the day he died because it triggered a psychological turning point and motivation that was like a machine. For obvious reasons I had been out of the gym for at least 24m+ as of the starting date, and was not on any AAS either. My last cycle before that had ended at the start of 2019. I'll briefly outline the 6 months and what I did below:

Month 1 - Starting weight: 125kg (275lbs)
NO DNP OR AAS
- bought a treadmill desk to use during working hours. The equipment arrived around 2-3days in and I hit 20k-30k steps a day everyday.
- Ate no more than 800 calories a day in one meal a day. That meal was allowed to be whatever. I didn't bother with protein intake, I just wanted compliance. There was minor variation in what the food was, but majority of the days the meal was a small curry sauce with 2 naan breads.

Month 2 - Starting weight: 110kg (242lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
- Everything above stayed the same but I started 300mg Test E per week and got back at the gym. Did an upper lower split 4x per week. Very basic stuff as I'd been out the gym for years at that point but knew the Test+resistance training would help considering my low protein. Steps remained 20k-30k a day, everyday. Calories remained the same.

Month 3 - Starting weight: 105kg (231lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
- Nothing to report here other than I was consistent with everything, and started to include higher protein of around 100g a day. Calories would still cap at 600-800.

Month 4 - Starting weight: 102kg (224.4lbs)
300mg Test E p/wI
- Consistent on hitting step and calorie goals and no gym sessions missed.

Month 5 - Starting weight: 97.5kg (214.5lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
200mg DNP per day added.
- At this point I was glad to finally be back under 100kg and wanted to spice things up. I cannot tolerate Clen as i'm sensitive to beta adrenergic stimulation, but had previously used DNP and knew my response. So went with that. I did lower my average step count to around 12k-15k because the DNP fatigue and super low calories was a slog.

Month 6 - Starting weight: 91.5 (201.3lbs)
300mg Test E p/w
400mg DNP per day until final week.
- Couple of gym sessions missed due to feeling too drained. Calories remained the same, peaking at 800, and i kept an average of 17k steps again.

End result: 81.5kg on 31st Dec (179.3lbs)
This measurement was close to a week from last Test injection and last DNP dose, so i assume that part of this insane 10kg drop was water weight from DNP flushing out too.

Holy shit, dude. That's beastly adherence and phenomenal results. Kudos for that.

If I can borrow some of that insane calorie deficit I'll be most shredded I've ever been in like 2 weeks lol.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

After three days of 400 mg I was at a friend's house and my heart rate resting was 115 and I ended up vomiting. This was a DNP overdose.

Wow. What was your body weight / any other factors at play?

In the end I did 14 days at 400 mg. Lost 15 lbs and 2.5 inches off my waist. As noted I did get a burning sensation in my fingers and toes and that is when I abandoned this cycle.

Super impressive results.

Spent 4 days eating close to zero carbs prior to first dose. Doing 30-45 mins stairs + my usual 15,000 steps per day. Really depleted all the glycogen.

I believe I started with 250 mg of powdered DNP for 3 days to further eliminate any possible glycogen stores. Then jumped to 500 mg. I alternated between 375 and 500 mg per day depending on how heavily I found the effects. Spent 8 days at the higher dose (I don't personally consider the 250 mg days as part of the main fat loss phase and think of it more in terms of removing all glycogen). I was also on 20 mg cardarine, which I do recommend as DNP causes so much lethargy. Another 10 ish lbs and 1.5 inches in that time.

I started out the DNP run eating zero carb and have had very manageable side effects. My buddy on the other hand is having a rough time on 200mg. He's smaller and also eating typical chicken rice but has since cut the carbs substantially lower.

Other than being super hot all the time I had no side effects from the second cycle. No pins and needles feeling, never had nausea or GI distress. I think the mix of depleting the liver prior to start to jump start fat loss + the supplements helped.

I'll get waves of nausea but I attribute that to being in such a deep deficit

Cardio I think you should do dedicated cardio daily + just increase movement. Tons of steps. Really take advantage of your jacked up metabolism.

Ugh. You're right. Gonna throw this in today with an extra long dog walk for the steps.

For diet the big thing is the low/zero carb depletion phase prior to starting. While on DNP the two focuses were keeping protein 1-1.5 g/lb and making sure to have vegetables and berries multiple times a day. Calories would've been a 500 deficit if I wasn't on DNP, so that 500 + the massive deficit cause by the DNP. I think fasting while on is a mistake. You want a consistent flow of nutrients imo.

I've been having roughly 4 meals per day. Grabbed some chicken breast from costco to try and increase protein while decreasing calories but fuck i dislike chicken breast haha.

I disagree with the idea of taking 200 mg for long periods of time. I get the theory. 200 mg is about a 30% increase in TDEE and you don't feel it at all. But I feel the best use is to get in and get out. It feels the worst at night. But if you can ride out the suffering you will be rewarded.

Yeah, I could see how it's better to just use 300 or 400 and be done with it quicker...I would much rather suffer more for less time.

In the future I think I'd try the opposite approach. The Vigorous Mitochondrial optimization stack route. Literally the opposite of what DNP does lmao. But DNP will always have it's fans quietly using it because there is nothing like it. It's guaranteed results in a bottle.

Ah yes. Haha. That's the approach I am most familiar with. So I had to try the opposite as well.

 

[Sampei]

Wow. What was your body weight / any other factors at play?

Super impressive results.

I started out the DNP run eating zero carb and have had very manageable side effects. My buddy on the other hand is having a rough time on 200mg. He's smaller and also eating typical chicken rice but has since cut the carbs substantially lower.

I'll get waves of nausea but I attribute that to being in such a deep deficit

Ugh. You're right. Gonna throw this in today with an extra long dog walk for the steps.

I've been having roughly 4 meals per day. Grabbed some chicken breast from costco to try and increase protein while decreasing calories but fuck i dislike chicken breast haha.

Yeah, I could see how it's better to just use 300 or 400 and be done with it quicker...I would much rather suffer more for less time.

Ah yes. Haha. That's the approach I am most familiar with. So I had to try the opposite as well.

What protein source do you use normally? I fucking hate chicken breast lol

 

[Trenbolonetax]

What protein source do you use normally? I fucking hate chicken breast lol

Ground beef (90/10 or 85/15 depending), chicken thighs, pork sausage, ham, eggs, protein powder, low fat cottage cheese, low fat greek yogurt.

I usually am eating beef though as the main protein source but the last thing I want right now is a bunch of extra calories from fat. It's not like those are going to magically make me feel a million times better while still in a steep deficit and DNP, lol.

For context, keep in mind that I typically eat low carb / higher fat, so I don't usually mind the extra calories from fat in the ground beef, sausage, etc.

 

[rexy]

After three days of 400 mg I was at a friend's house and my heart rate resting was 115 and I ended up vomiting. This was a DNP overdose.

Wow. What was your body weight / any other factors at play?

JG's experience mirrors something that happened to me on a seperate occasion to what i mentioned above, (where I used it much smarter). I frontloaded and it was more than 400mg. I woke up that night with a heart rate about 140ish and the most intense need to vomit ever. Problem was as I got up, I lost the ability to walk properly - I had to stumble around holding onto objects to get me to the door. I think my BP must have been very, very low and that caused it.

I made it to my bedroom door, to the top of the stairs then blank. I passed out and hit my head off the wall. Not sure how long i was out but it can't have been more than 10 mins or so. The sickness had gone by then, I just had a sore head and learned not to do that again, lol. BW at the time was 100ish KG.

Lesson being don't front load and also, RHR is agood indicator of when dose is becoming a problem.

 

[malfeasance]

Ground beef (90/10 or 85/15 depending), chicken thighs, pork sausage, ham, eggs, protein powder, low fat cottage cheese, low fat greek yogurt.

I usually am eating beef though as the main protein source but the last thing I want right now is a bunch of extra calories from fat. It's not like those are going to magically make me feel a million times better while still in a steep deficit and DNP, lol.

For context, keep in mind that I typically eat low carb / higher fat, so I don't usually mind the extra calories from fat in the ground beef, sausage, etc.

It is a lot more difficult to eat lower fat and keep protein up, for sure.

 

[Sampei]

Ground beef (90/10 or 85/15 depending), chicken thighs, pork sausage, ham, eggs, protein powder, low fat cottage cheese, low fat greek yogurt.

I usually am eating beef though as the main protein source but the last thing I want right now is a bunch of extra calories from fat. It's not like those are going to magically make me feel a million times better while still in a steep deficit and DNP, lol.

For context, keep in mind that I typically eat low carb / higher fat, so I don't usually mind the extra calories from fat in the ground beef, sausage, etc.

It's amazing how you built that beast of a body on a high fat low carb diet damn

Yeah the issue for me is that I try to keep fat low so the protein sources are limited

 

[Trenbolonetax]

JG's experience mirrors something that happened to me on a seperate occasion to what i mentioned above, (where I used it much smarter). I frontloaded and it was more than 400mg. I woke up that night with a heart rate about 140ish and the most intense need to vomit ever. Problem was as I got up, I lost the ability to walk properly - I had to stumble around holding onto objects to get me to the door. I think my BP must have been very, very low and that caused it.

I made it to my bedroom door, to the top of the stairs then blank. I passed out and hit my head off the wall. Not sure how long i was out but it can't have been more than 10 mins or so. The sickness had gone by then, I just had a sore head and learned not to do that again, lol. BW at the time was 100ish KG.

Damn! Despite my tendencies, I'm happy to report I did no front loading or any other funny business with my DNP dosing haha.

Lesson being don't front load and also, RHR is agood indicator of when dose is becoming a problem.

Thanks for the cautionary tale! So far so good on my end and I would like to keep it that way!

 

[Trenbolonetax]

It's amazing how you built that beast of a body on a high fat low carb diet damn

Yeah the issue for me is that I try to keep fat low so the protein sources are limited

Ehhh, not at all the case lol.

From when I started lifting in high school up until after college, I just focused on eating protein and didn't care about macro nutrient distribution as long as it had a redeemable amount of protein lol. Also was a permabulk.

Was this optimal? No freaking way. But I was less concerned with physique and more concerned with performance and continually gaining an appropriate amount of weight Year over Year for my position requirements in football.

After college and football, I wanted to lose the lineman fat. I tried a couple things and found the most success with a low carb / keto diet (not clinical keto, but just lazy keto); it left me feeling more satiated, allowed me to go longer in between meals effortlessly which enabled me start changing my relationship with food and led me to dive into intermittent fasting and that whole realm.

But really the biggest reason I have eaten a low carb / keto diet ever since college is the difference in my “every day life” type of performance.

 

[JG91]

Wow. What was your body weight / any other factors at play?

Super impressive results.

I started out the DNP run eating zero carb and have had very manageable side effects. My buddy on the other hand is having a rough time on 200mg. He's smaller and also eating typical chicken rice but has since cut the carbs substantially lower.

I'll get waves of nausea but I attribute that to being in such a deep deficit

Ugh. You're right. Gonna throw this in today with an extra long dog walk for the steps.

I've been having roughly 4 meals per day. Grabbed some chicken breast from costco to try and increase protein while decreasing calories but fuck i dislike chicken breast haha.

Yeah, I could see how it's better to just use 300 or 400 and be done with it quicker...I would much rather suffer more for less time.

Ah yes. Haha. That's the approach I am most familiar with. So I had to try the opposite as well.

During the OD I was 195 lbs. I don’t know what happened that day. Because days later I was back to 400 mg and I stayed mostly around there without real issues. And then in the second cycle I hit higher doses without problems.

Your friend struggling on 200 mg is odd. That doses gets thrown around as a safe amount that you just feel a little warm on. Is he mixing it with clen or a glp? At one point I added a baby dose of clen and the combo jacked up my heart rate way more than clen would on its own.

But body size matters. For reference my friend that ran a full on gram of dnp per day was doing so at 275 lbs. That’s an absurd dose. But he handled it for like a week.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

During the OD I was 195 lbs. I don’t know what happened that day. Because days later I was back to 400 mg and I stayed mostly around there without real issues. And then in the second cycle I hit higher doses without problems.

Yeah that is odd. Just goes to show try as we might to control every variable, sometimes the stars align against our favor.

Your friend struggling on 200 mg is odd. That doses gets thrown around as a safe amount that you just feel a little warm on. Is he mixing it with clen or a glp? At one point I added a baby dose of clen and the combo jacked up my heart rate way more than clen would on its own.

He is using it with Reta, but he's not GLP1 naive. He does have IBS but does a good job managing it with diet + peptides to avoid flareups. He's a smaller guy, but I guess it just took it longer for it to hit me whereas it hit him hard and quickly in regards to lethargy.

But body size matters. For reference my friend that ran a full on gram of dnp per day was doing so at 275 lbs. That’s an absurd dose. But he handled it for like a week.

Thinking of that dose and the heat is making me more miserable lol. I'll need to run that in dead winter and just pitch a tent outside.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Bit of an update. The first few days of DNP were a breeze and I was even getting good workouts in. I was like damn, once again people overhype the side effects of something.

First day in the PM was 200mg
2: 400mg
3: 400mg
4: 600mg
5: 600mg
6: 400mg

Today is day 6 and I'm glad I stuck with 400. Dose built up and the lethargy hit me yesterday but really hit me today lol.

Heat wise, no problem, but definitely running hotter.

I'm sure some of y'all played video games growing up...feels like my character is constantly telling me "Need more mana" "Out of energy" "You don't have enough rage for this move"

I can definitely see the appeal of higher doses for shorter time since at a certain point I'm sure it's like well I'm useless anyways.

I'm gonna stick with 400 probably, or alternate 400 and 600 to make it a 500mg average.

Big mistake I made was cutting calories soooooo aggressively out of the gate. Really put myself into a big debt quickly and it felt like it. Didn't cause any binge or crazy slip ups, just a few handfuls of sour patch total which isn't bad.

I'm really looking forward to finishing up DNP; hoping to hit ~15lbs fat loss over the 2 to 3 weeks. Definitely tracking at that pace or better right now.

 

[JG91]

The way DNP has to build up in your system is the reason for the slow increase in dosing. I believe it’s 3 straight days to hit saturation? So be careful playing with the 600 mg days.

And if you can get your hands on ephedrine I’d add that in. It was the only thing that worked for lethargy.

If your friend is on Reta that’s probably partially the problem. I’m at the very end of dieting and just increased Reta to 10 mg and it feels like DNP lethargy the day after the shot.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

The way DNP has to build up in your system is the reason for the slow increase in dosing. I believe it’s 3 straight days to hit saturation? So be careful playing with the 600 mg days.

yessir, absolutely. Knew I was still building so was okay going to 600 for those days but from now forward either 400 or 500.

And if you can get your hands on ephedrine I’d add that in. It was the only thing that worked for lethargy.

it's not completely debilitating...and I don't really need to be terribly productive, so i'll just get along with modafinil. was a bad time to run out of armodafinil though, lol, could've sworn I had more.

If your friend is on Reta that’s probably partially the problem. I’m at the very end of dieting and just increased Reta to 10 mg and it feels like DNP lethargy the day after the shot.

Yea, I'm also on Reta but he wasn't experiencing any issue prior to DNP; I think he just had a rough initial reaction or something.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

276 this AM. Weight is all over the place. Starting to hold (more) water. Yesterday was most lethargic day. Keeping dose at 400mg.

Quick little workout this morning. Now to go on a long fasted walk with the dog.