2 for 2 in court this week

[Mac11wildcat]

As far as I can see juries batted 1.000 this week.

Rittenhouse rightfully acquitted (as was another defendant in a self defense case the news ignored to push the “if Kyle was black” narrative) and the Amaud Arbery killers rightfully convicted.

Have at each other’s throats over it below. Cheers

 

[JC Grifter]

You’re 100% spot on brother. The “if Kyle was black guy” last name is Coffee. I forget his first name.best part was both verdicts were the same day but only one was covered. Gee I wonder why

 

[Jestopherson]

I agree with him dropping the people beating him with a skateboard but he should've been charged for attempting to shoot the medic, reracking a round then actually shooting him when the medic raised his gun after he realized what was happening.

 

[Big_paul]

Moral of the story is don't attack someone who is holding an ar15.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I agree with him dropping the people beating him with a skateboard but he should've been charged for attempting to shoot the medic, reracking a round then actually shooting him when the medic raised his gun after he realized what was happening.

The felon with the Glock that pointed his firearm at Kyle? Trial evidence made it rather clear, as did Gauge’s testimony itself, that he initiated the interaction.

 

[BCBuilder]

The felon with the Glock that pointed his firearm at Kyle? Trial evidence made it rather clear, as did Gauge’s testimony itself, that he initiated the interaction.

I thought I remembered that guy reportedly being a felon with an illegal concealed carry... That and if you are raising a gun to point at someone, prepare to get blasted off the face of the earth if homie is holding an AR lmao

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I don’t think anything here is to be “celebrated” except the verdict upholding the right to self defense, but, his handling of that rifle under duress is truly incredible. Being chased, 3 shots, 3 hits, zero collateral damage, and while clearing a malfunction in the middle of it all.

 

[BCBuilder]

I don’t think anything here is to be “celebrated” except the verdict upholding the right to self defense, but, his handling of that rifle under duress is truly incredible. Being chased, 3 shots, 3 hits, zero collateral damage, and while clearing a malfunction in the middle of it all.

Clearing a malfunction while falling/sitting backwards right? Kid definelty knew his way around his equipment.

And agreed, a loss of life shouldn't be celebrated regardless of circumstances. The fact that he shot to disable and not kill on the "medic" was pretty impressive as well. Cya later bicep

 

[Forthewin1123]

This should show just how fucked up the media is!!! They had the world believing a completely false story!!! All of the media facts were incorrect and false!!! This trial is only a surprise to so many because tje media told a false story.from.day 1!!!
.I hope Kyle sues all.of them !!!

 

[Mac11wildcat]

This should show just how fucked up the media is!!! They had the world believing a completely false story!!! All of the media facts were incorrect and false!!! This trial is only a surprise to so many because tje media told a false story.from.day 1!!!
.I hope Kyle sues all.of them !!!

Also this.

 

[Jestopherson]

The felon with the Glock that pointed his firearm at Kyle? Trial evidence made it rather clear, as did Gauge’s testimony itself, that he initiated the interaction.

I believe his permit was expired?

I never saw anything about him being a felon. What I saw was his testimony about running towards the gun fire to give aid as he has done at several similar situations. Upon arriving he saw Kyle kill his 2 attackers. Kyle then took aim on the guy so he raised his hands. After which Kyle rer racked a new round. (Which you would only do if you had a misfire. Which you would only know if you had pulled the trigger with no result.) At this point the guy took aim on Kyle to defend himself as Kyle then shot him.

However we can spin the fact that Kyle only opted for an AR 15 because "it looked cool" and because he was unable to obtain a handgun. So he then opted for a weapon with the greatest round count and capacity for damage. Meaning he went there with the intention to inflict damage. Otherwise why wouldn't he opt for a shotgun which is the preferable self defense weapon or even a PCC. Which would be more likely to incapacitate over killing.

Like I said, I absolutely agree he should be acquitted for the first 2. 100%. If I had 2 guys beating me down saying they were going to kill me I would've unloaded into their faces. But the 3rd guy I believe was more of a shoot anything that moves sort of scenario.

We however have to agree that he clearly had a heros complex and wanted to be the guy who "kills those domestic terrorists." And his crying during the trial to earn sympathy was just straight embarrassing. You could see the snot bubbles.

I value your opinion in regards to many things on this board and the same goes for this, and if we have a small difference of opinion it won't change the fact I hold you in high regard my dude. I'm Canadian but I still keep at least a few boxes of shells in my truck and either my bullpup or 12g. As I've come across all sorts of bullshit working on the road. I've had to snap my baton out acouple times to get people to fuck off. With that I fully support self defense with a firearm and wish it wasn't a crime in Canada.

 

[Forthewin1123]

Awhile back I put myself in Kyle's shoes.. could he of avoided all of this by not choosing to defend private property from rioters and looters absolutely.. but he has balls and strong beliefs in right and wrong.. and chose to helo.defend his town.
Imagine your 17.. getting chased by men who are yelling they are gonna kick your ass/kill you.. getting attacked by a skateboard.. or getting knocked down and have a man pull a.gun on you.. I would of started shooting alot earlier tbh.. he then runs to the police hands up explaining what just happened..
Get arrested, bailed oit and see the media lying for over a year straight.. knowing your life is on tje line here.. that young man went through some shit and this will haunt him for the rest of his life!!
I feel bad for the kid. The next 5 years of his life are going to be very difficult.. mostly because the media painted a picture that just was not true at all..

In another story.. the media praises a blm leader calling for violence and blood shed in NYC.. this shit makes my head spin..

 

[VStar]

Clearing a malfunction while falling/sitting backwards right? Kid definelty knew his way around his equipment.

And agreed, a loss of life shouldn't be celebrated regardless of circumstances. The fact that he shot to disable and not kill on the "medic" was pretty impressive as well. Cya later bicep

Lost a bicep. OUCH! Blew it right off! Food for stray dogs..

 

[Forthewin1123]

I believe his permit was expired?

I never saw anything about him being a felon. What I saw was his testimony about running towards the gun fire to give aid as he has done at several similar situations. Upon arriving he saw Kyle kill his 2 attackers. Kyle then took aim on the guy so he raised his hands. After which Kyle rer racked a new round. (Which you would only do if you had a misfire. Which you would only know if you had pulled the trigger with no result.) At this point the guy took aim on Kyle to defend himself as Kyle then shot him.

However we can spin the fact that Kyle only opted for an AR 15 because "it looked cool" and because he was unable to obtain a handgun. So he then opted for a weapon with the greatest round count and capacity for damage. Meaning he went there with the intention to inflict damage. Otherwise why wouldn't he opt for a shotgun which is the preferable self defense weapon or even a PCC. Which would be more likely to incapacitate over killing.

Like I said, I absolutely agree he should be acquitted for the first 2. 100%. If I had 2 guys beating me down saying they were going to kill me I would've unloaded into their faces. But the 3rd guy I believe was more of a shoot anything that moves sort of scenario.

We however have to agree that he clearly had a heros complex and wanted to be the guy who "kills those domestic terrorists." And his crying during the trial to earn sympathy was just straight embarrassing. You could see the snot bubbles.

I value your opinion in regards to many things on this board and the same goes for this, and if we have a small difference of opinion it won't change the fact I hold you in high regard my dude. I'm Canadian but I still keep at least a few boxes of shells in my truck and either my bullpup or 12g. As I've come across all sorts of bullshit working on the road. I've had to snap my baton out acouple times to get people to fuck off. With that I fully support self defense with a firearm and wish it wasn't a crime in Canada.

In my opinion a shotgun is not a preferred choice for personal or self defense.. there's akot more then mag capacity that makes someone prefer a weapon for self defense.. recoil alone would make me not ever wanna chose a shot gun..
It's hard to beat the versatility of the AR for the money.. it checks so many boxes.. and you can acquire one that's good enough to do most jobs for $500-$800..
If you've never handled a AR 15 then you habe no clue why it's so popular.. it's just simple to manipulate, light recoil, accurate,,..
If anyone does research before purchasing a home defense/self defense or just for fun firearm in America... AR 15 is always innthe top 3 or 5..
Don't assume he had it to cause tje most harm!!
Not arguing just giving another point of view..

 

[z666z]

I wouldn't want to give another kid the false hope that he's gonna be able to pull off the same thing Kyle did.

The way I see it these protesters are more than likely criminals looking for a crowd to cover their activities. And as such when you walk into a scene like this you're basically entering a sanatorium for the mentally ill.

The thing about Kyle is that he seems to have a mild case of aspergers. He lacks street smarts and situational awareness. It's not by luck that he was selected to screw with, the kid probably shouldn't be anywhere near a protest because he doesn't know how to read a crowd.

Had Kyle not been there that night there probably wouldn't have been anyone shot. There were lots of "men" with guns, but those guys weren't taking any shit off anyone. They looked like they meant business. Kyle with his baby face was an easy mark for a pedo looking to be suicided.

 

[Jestopherson]

In my opinion a shotgun is not a preferred choice for personal or self defense.. there's akot more then mag capacity that makes someone prefer a weapon for self defense.. recoil alone would make me not ever wanna chose a shot gun..
It's hard to beat the versatility of the AR for the money.. it checks so many boxes.. and you can acquire one that's good enough to do most jobs for $500-$800..
If you've never handled a AR 15 then you habe no clue why it's so popular.. it's just simple to manipulate, light recoil, accurate,,..
If anyone does research before purchasing a home defense/self defense or just for fun firearm in America... AR 15 is always innthe top 3 or 5..
Don't assume he had it to cause tje most harm!!
Not arguing just giving another point of view..

I completely hear what you're saying. And you're right in regards to follow up shots and range potential. ARs are much better. However if you are unable to tame a 12g/make accurate shots with a weapon designed for AOE. You should seek firearms training and definitely not an AR.

You can purchase a simple 12g pump for only a few hundred, it's light, easy to maintain, less likely to jam. Has the versatility of a large selection of shot loads. And has the fear factor of being a shot gun. Simply racking a shell is a very effective fuck off.

The thing about recoil, that's only really a problem if you're needing multiple follow up shots. Which 1. Your aim likely sucks. 2. You're a shit person with many enemies and likely deserves it. 3. You're intentionally putting yourself into situations where you'd need an abundance of ammo.

And I've seen those points argued by many firearms instructors while I was researching home defense weapons. But again those aren't the opinions of everyone and we all have our own experiences to base our opinions on. Which is why if I may disagree ever with someone I won't hold it against them. Unless it's just a straight pos opinion like pedophiles should have rights

 

[Gbro]

I agree with him dropping the people beating him with a skateboard but he should've been charged for attempting to shoot the medic, reracking a round then actually shooting him when the medic raised his gun after he realized what was happening.

How do you know why he reracked? He could have had a stove pipe.

 

[Jestopherson]

How do you know why he reracked? He could have had a stove pipe.

He fired two shots. Then took aim on the medic. After that he re racked. Why would you re rack in that situation immediately following 2 successful shots?

 

[Freakmidd]

I never saw anything about him being a felon. What I saw was his testimony about running towards the gun fire to give aid as he has done at several similar situations. Upon arriving he saw Kyle kill his 2 attackers. Kyle then took aim on the guy so he raised his hands. After which Kyle rer racked a new round. (Which you would only do if you had a misfire. Which you would only know if you had pulled the trigger with no result.) At this point the guy took aim on Kyle to defend himself as Kyle then shot him.

However we can spin the fact that Kyle only opted for an AR 15 because "it looked cool" and because he was unable to obtain a handgun. So he then opted for a weapon with the greatest round count and capacity for damage. Meaning he went there with the intention to inflict damage. Otherwise why wouldn't he opt for a shotgun which is the preferable self defense weapon or even a PCC. Which would be more likely to incapacitate over killing.

Thanks for the CNN analysis.

Like I said, I absolutely agree he should be acquitted for the first 2. 100%. If I had 2 guys beating me down saying they were going to kill me I would've unloaded into their faces.

At least you were honest about this..

But the 3rd guy I believe was more of a shoot anything that moves sort of scenario

More like shoot whoever is coming at you, since the others were trying to harm/kill you.

 

[Forthewin1123]

I completely hear what you're saying. And you're right in regards to follow up shots and range potential. ARs are much better. However if you are unable to tame a 12g/make accurate shots with a weapon designed for AOE. You should seek firearms training and definitely not an AR.

You can purchase a simple 12g pump for only a few hundred, it's light, easy to maintain, less likely to jam. Has the versatility of a large selection of shot loads. And has the fear factor of being a shot gun. Simply racking a shell is a very effective fuck off.

The thing about recoil, that's only really a problem if you're needing multiple follow up shots. Which 1. Your aim likely sucks. 2. You're a shit person with many enemies and likely deserves it. 3. You're intentionally putting yourself into situations where you'd need an abundance of ammo.

And I've seen those points argued by many firearms instructors while I was researching home defense weapons. But again those aren't the opinions of everyone and we all have our own experiences to base our opinions on. Which is why if I may disagree ever with someone I won't hold it against them. Unless it's just a straight pos opinion like pedophiles should have rights

It's not that one can't handle the recoil.. but why? It's unessary in my opinion.. also if my wife or kids need to use it for some reason they are much better offer woth a high power 22 cal rifle then a heavy long shot gun. This is my opinion and what I've learned.. I've taken a rifle and handgun class.. and the things the teachers taught made sense..
Aim is a mute point.. you can be a great shot.. now run a lap and try it.. adrenaline made me look like I had never shot before.. in a life or death situation..or simply let's say if.your wanting a weapon for self defense.. you want every advantage you can afford.. so 30rds -100rds.. the point is advantage.. you want tje odds sracked in your favor.. having unlimited round capacity is simply to give you the highest odds ..not just for multiple threats.. or bad aim. I'm nkt arguing..just a different point of view.
In the rifle class they didn't teach shoot 2 times and see if the threat is down.. they teach to shoot until the threat is no longer. That may be 2 it may be 6 or 10 shots.. you don't stop until the threat is down and no longer moving..
Self defense is about giving yourself the best odds possible to survive.. for the majority that's gonna be a modern pistol or sporting rifle.. at the end of the day.. AR is just a gassed up 22. That can be made to fit you or multiple people with ease..
As far as failure I've never had one with my AR.. I have had 2 with a shotgun.. my own fault.. shooting fast and short stroke the pump..
We can go back and forth all day.. it's merely a preference thing more then a which is better or best.. I prefer my rifle and hadgun.. I also prefer to never have to use.them for any reason then for pleasure/hunting..