T-Bagger
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You’re assuming I’d be that nice and spend money.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
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I mean, re-selling them prop for 400% markup is pretty good. Especially since the chance of them being able to complain about it is small lol
BlownStrength
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Question for all of you experienced primo and DHB users. In your humble opinion which one is more effective time wise and also less in pip? I also would like to know what is your absolute best recommend oil carrier when it comes to gso and mct for pip. My current cycle is killing me in pip lol. I have no experience with neither of dhb and primo. I have plenty of experience with deca eq and tren. Currently I am finishing my deca test cycle. I cruise and blast. Have pct on hand. Not sure if pct is even needed in between my next cycle which is test and tren e. I know I cramped in a lot of questions for you guys. Any help will be much appreciated!
HIGHRISK
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Pip can be from several different things. The way the gear is brewed,Raws,technique,carrier oil, compound. Imo GSO is probably the safest bet for oil pip wise. Mct is phenomenal also but some can’t handle it. Mig840 kills some people also.
If you’re blasting and cruising then no need for pct.
Dhb I can’t comment never tried it. Plenty here that have though. Primo mct is probably my favorite but not fast acting whatsoever. Much more expensive also.
BlownStrength
Member
Thanks bud. I never cared for pct ever since I have been on trt. I bought some thinking maybe I can hold on to some gains in between cycles and maybe maybe I will get some natural production back. I might consider throwing in primo with test as my trt dose. I am eager to find out about the dhb dosage and results from fellow Meso members. I think my best look I got from test deca then eq cycle in the past. The hardest look ever.
HIGHRISK
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If you’re on trt then you should never pct anyway because it defeats the purpose of pct which is to get your natural test going again. Hence the reason for trt you have no or little natural test production. Some call it trt some call it blast and cruise. Are you Dr. prescribed trt? Or self ?
Primo is a good addition to trt imo. Gets pricey but worth it.
Are you running proviron?
Harmswhey
Banned
Dhb is a nice compound. I ran it at 600mg a week with 400mg cyp I believe... strong and vascular and felt great. My bp rising was the only negative I felt.
Were you eating at a surplus, deficit or at maintenance? If at a surplus. How much and how were the gains?
I’ve done a cycle of DHB and currently on my second cycle. The current batch of TGI DHB is virtually pipless. No idea what he’s changed to accomplish this but it’s night and day compared to previous batches. As far as Primo vs DHB ? I’ve only tested Primo, never ran a cycle. I will however recommend DHB, the only sides I’m having is slight night sweating(mild Tren like side). I’m making slow and steady gains just how I like them.
BlownStrength
Member
Never ran proviron. Should I be. I take e2 blocker like arimidex
BlownStrength
Member
I am currently cutting. I take 6 iu of Somatropins, deca and test. Finishing deca then wait 2-3 weeks then run tren e and test e with same 6 iu per day. Split dosage 4 before bed and 2 at awakening
HIGHRISK
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I’ve always been e2 sensitive and usually needs 1.5.2.5 adex a week with 6-700 test. This time ran proviron 25mg am 25mg night. Haven’t “felt” the least bit of spiked e2. No sore nips or anything which I always get.
Proviron profile:
Proviron has low anabolic potential and weak androgenic response. As an AAS compound proviron is a low gains compound. So the question is, why is it so widely used?
Proviron suppresses the aromitization of every family of testosterone.
What is this? Aromitization is the conversion of test hydrocarbons to other variations of hormones such as estradiol, oestrogen, dihydrotestosterone (DHT). This suppression forces the body to leverage more of the injectable oils you’re taking rather than converting and wasting. Takes cypionate from 73% usage to 90%+ for example.
Because more of the hydrocarbon is being used by the body, you increase the effectiveness of the compounds you’re running
Proviron binds rapidly to the sexual and mood receptors in your body. This causes a more stable libido and mood while on cycle, but it also increases the bioavailability of the compounds you’re on
Summary Proviron increases bioavailability and effectiveness of the compounds you’re on. Because it suppresses aromitization you also do not need to take as many blockers. (Which is far healthier for liver function).
However there is more:
Proviron has little to no hepatotoxicity which means it can be run for extended periods of time without damage to liver function
It also can be run with a PCT because it does not impede natural FHS production. Thus it keeps you up while your natural levels recover. It can be taken with Clomid or hcg, however it is more necessary to run with Clomid than hcg.
Proviron is a DHT and over use can lead to hair loss, and androgenic alopecia. Therefore, running 2000mcg of cinnamon a day is necessary while running Proviron.
HIGHRISK
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@BlownStrength heres the profile on Primo
Metenolone Enanthate profile:
Primobolan was initially created as a medical treatment for the following issues
1. Anemia - primobolan helps improve bone marrow function assisting those with anemia to have more stable platelets
2. Compromised immuno function - primobolan due to the nature of its work on bone marrow functionality also improves white blood cell count and viability of internal antibody production thus dramatically improving immune function.
3. Hypogonadism- because Metenolone is a DHT derivative it doesn’t impede fhs stimulation, however because of its unique property it’s been proven to improve natural testosterone function reversing hypogonadism. It also plays a role in improving fertility
Primo is a mild anabolic AAS, and weak androgenic properties. Due to the natural of its low androgenic properties it’s widely used by women as a low impact way of gaining mass.
Primo in mild doses works wonderfully in women, but in men higher doses have shown to cause rapid and dramatic growth in muscle tissue. However because it’s a DHT both men and women alike could face hairloss tho men moreso than women as low doses have a low impact.
Recommended dosing for women:
.2-.5ml m/w/f for no more than 16 weeks. Women who dose above 1mL in a 7 day period are more likely to virilize
Men:
1-2ml m/w/f for 16-20 weeks
Primobolan does not convert so there is limited estrogenic impact while on cycle. However natural estrogen production will increase.
Metenolone Enanthate profile:
Primobolan was initially created as a medical treatment for the following issues
1. Anemia - primobolan helps improve bone marrow function assisting those with anemia to have more stable platelets
2. Compromised immuno function - primobolan due to the nature of its work on bone marrow functionality also improves white blood cell count and viability of internal antibody production thus dramatically improving immune function.
3. Hypogonadism- because Metenolone is a DHT derivative it doesn’t impede fhs stimulation, however because of its unique property it’s been proven to improve natural testosterone function reversing hypogonadism. It also plays a role in improving fertility
Primo is a mild anabolic AAS, and weak androgenic properties. Due to the natural of its low androgenic properties it’s widely used by women as a low impact way of gaining mass.
Primo in mild doses works wonderfully in women, but in men higher doses have shown to cause rapid and dramatic growth in muscle tissue. However because it’s a DHT both men and women alike could face hairloss tho men moreso than women as low doses have a low impact.
Recommended dosing for women:
.2-.5ml m/w/f for no more than 16 weeks. Women who dose above 1mL in a 7 day period are more likely to virilize
Men:
1-2ml m/w/f for 16-20 weeks
Primobolan does not convert so there is limited estrogenic impact while on cycle. However natural estrogen production will increase.
Nice information. I also have a fantastic sex drive while on it. Also while it will help control E2, I would still strongly recommend having an AI on hand. Do not rely on proviron as a primary AI.
HIGHRISK
Member
Shit I walk around 3/4 Hiz most the time because of proviron.
You’re right I should of prefaced that just Incase someone thinks it’s an AI it’s not.
Absolutely should have AI on hand.
BlownStrength
Member
Looks like I need to give proviron a try. Since you mentioned about mood and libido. Having deca in my system doesn’t help much. Thought about grabbing some caber but I moved on without it. I don’t have a whole lot of issues with e2. I do get prescriptions for anastrazol. I take .5 twice a week. Thanks for your abundance of knowledge. I am looking forward to hear from some of the dhb users. I do want to see the main difference of them two. My current cycle of deca ran a bit longer than I expected. I gotta give my receptors a break before I start my tren cycle.
I recently just ended a tren/mast/test run and used provi and winny to try to help with the SBGH issue some guys have. Supposed to help with getting the compounds to work for those with androgen insensitivity. Winny dried me out quick so i had to drop it but provi added zero issues.
Next run i do i will half dose the winny but keep the provi for the full run instead and see if that helps as well. Will be awhile though. Taking a break and hitting trt levels only. Not even primo added. Don't want to but i know it's healthier than being on blast 24/7.
Edit: Great advice in the AI guys. I would have missed that.
Next run i do i will half dose the winny but keep the provi for the full run instead and see if that helps as well. Will be awhile though. Taking a break and hitting trt levels only. Not even primo added. Don't want to but i know it's healthier than being on blast 24/7.
Edit: Great advice in the AI guys. I would have missed that.
HIGHRISK
Member
I’ll never blast without it again (proviron)
Just figured I would chime in. Sometimes we forget everyone else doesn’t know what we know and we forget to mention everything lol
Proviron can be ran entire length of the cycle. I do think there is a point of diminishing returns as with everything. Proviron will help keep you dry as well, with winny it might be overkill lol!
How was the libido on tren/mast/proviron? I would be dry humping door frames on that lol
It might have some room for an off season primo/test/proviron run as well. I think it would help to keep the off-season water off.
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